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Morley wrote:
Fri Aug 22, 2025 5:43 pm
Four links. All apologetic. No commentary or summary from you. This is blatant link and run.
The 2nd and 4th links point to the same article published in two different places. He's not even pretending to pay attention.

But it's even worse than that: the article he cites twice ends with this: "So while the Egyptian word for the sun itself is not the same as in the Book of Abraham, one of the Egyptian words for the sun’s ecliptic (the path of the sun through the sky) as attested in Abraham’s day is."

Even if 'shinehah' is the Egyptian word some apologists want it to be, it still doesn't mean what the Book of Abraham says it does. That is a bullseye, folks, and I am Yosemite Sam.
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drumdude wrote:
Fri Aug 22, 2025 5:41 pm
Do you believe Abraham lived until the age of 175?
Abraham's father lived to be 205 and his grandfather lived to be 148. But his great grandfather lived to be 230!

These fairy tales were fully endorsed and backed by Smith's bogus revelations.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Aug 22, 2025 6:22 pm
The problem seems to be that Vogel does not directly engage with the significance of Shinehah as a genuine Egyptian word for the sun
Shinehah is NOT a genuine Egyptian word for the sun. The genuine Egyptian word for sun is RA or RE, period!

Mormon Egyptologists are liars. They are dirty skunks.
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Shulem wrote:
Fri Aug 22, 2025 6:34 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Aug 22, 2025 6:22 pm
The problem seems to be that Vogel does not directly engage with the significance of Shinehah as a genuine Egyptian word for the sun
Shinehah is NOT a genuine Egyptian word for the sun. The genuine Egyptian word for sun is RA or RE, period!

Mormon Egyptologists are liars. They are dirty skunks.
Wasn't it code for Kirtland?
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Rivendale wrote:
Fri Aug 22, 2025 6:25 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Aug 22, 2025 6:22 pm
The problem seems to be that Vogel does not directly engage with the significance of Shinehah as a genuine Egyptian word for the sun recognized by Egyptologists.

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Shulem does. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=154247&start=30
And Vogel appreciated my comments and presentation:
dan vogel wrote:
Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:54 am
Good discussion of Shinehah, Paul. Thanks.
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Rivendale wrote:
Fri Aug 22, 2025 6:35 pm
Shulem wrote:
Fri Aug 22, 2025 6:34 pm
Shinehah is NOT a genuine Egyptian word for the sun. The genuine Egyptian word for sun is RA or RE, period!

Mormon Egyptologists are liars. They are dirty skunks.
Wasn't it code for Kirtland?
Yes. And Smith used it before he ever met the likes of Chandler.

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Bret Ripley wrote:
Fri Aug 22, 2025 6:26 pm
Morley wrote:
Fri Aug 22, 2025 5:43 pm
Four links. All apologetic. No commentary or summary from you. This is blatant link and run.
The 2nd and 4th links point to the same article published in two different places. He's not even pretending to pay attention.

But it's even worse than that: the article he cites twice ends with this: "So while the Egyptian word for the sun itself is not the same as in the Book of Abraham, one of the Egyptian words for the sun’s ecliptic (the path of the sun through the sky) as attested in Abraham’s day is."

Even if 'shinehah' is the Egyptian word some apologists want it to be, it still doesn't mean what the Book of Abraham says it does. That is a bullseye, folks, and I am Yosemite Sam.
I saw that there was a duplicate. It is true that Shinehah is used within LDS apologetics almost exclusively. However, the spelling and context in the Coffin Texts earlier known as the Pyramid Texts, dated from around 2350 BC...close to Abraham's traditional era...align closely with how "Shinehah" is represented in the Book of Abraham.

S-n-xA" (or š(ỉ)-n-ḫꜣ

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Doing a search and finding that:

The relevant mentions and discussions of S-n-xA generally appear in the sections covering spells numbered around CT 18, CT 61, CT 62, and others in:

The Ancient Egyptian Coffin Texts Volume 1 Spells 1-354
R.O Faulkner

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Aug 22, 2025 6:45 pm
dated from around 2350 BC...close to Abraham's traditional era...
That date is nowhere close to Abraham's era!

Bible chronology endorsed by Smith claims this date is when Noah begat Ham 100 years prior to the Flood.

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Shulem wrote:
Fri Aug 22, 2025 7:03 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Aug 22, 2025 6:45 pm
dated from around 2350 BC...close to Abraham's traditional era...
That date is nowhere close to Abraham's era!

Bible chronology endorsed by Smith claims this date is when Noah begat Ham 100 years prior to the Flood.

8-)
Didn't the Pyramid Texts originate about 100 to 400 years before the earliest estimated dates for Abraham? Doesn't the Book of Abraham place Abraham between 2000 to 1500 BCE? Could he not have traveled to Egypt and had access to the Pyramid Texts?

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