YouTuber Alyssa Grenfell Has Cost The Church 2.4 Million Dollars

[I Have Questions]

No. I requested you provide quotes from Alyssa that supported what you said about her. Your AI harvested out of context snippets of what may or may not be in the links you have now decided to put up, don’t do it. Can you provide a link to a transcript of the whole interview?

Are YouTube videos and the Mormonish videos provided with transcripts? Maybe you can help out with that.

Regards,
MG

They are your sources, so do your own legwork lazy bones.

[I Have Questions]

Her mental health struggles were just a personal grievance? Are you for real?

I'll let my statement stand as it is. If you want to twist it into something other than what it is, that is up to you.

Regards,
MG

I’m using your words with no twisting. Describing mental health issues as just a personal grievance is utterly reprehensible. That’s some great missionary work for all those lurkers to see. Disgusting.

[MG 2.0]

Have a nice day, IHQ.

Regards,
MG

[I Have Questions]

Have a nice day, IHQ.

Regards,
MG

I don't feel "brave" so much as I feel that if I am going to talk about it, I may as well talk about ALL OF IT. And I love the critics and the angry comments. They just prove the points I make in the videos, so it's just the cherry on top, really.

Alyssa Grenfell Keep on proving her points MG 2.0

[malkie]

To be clear, you said above that it's not your place to judge. Is this comment an example of you not judging?

Has she or has she not opened up in regards to the things which I have mentioned?

Regards,
MG

I was not asking about what Alyssa may or may not have "opened up" about. Rather, about whether you were being judgmental, since you had declared that it is not your place to be so. You did understand that that was what I was asking, right?

Should I assume, since you didn't actually answer my question, that you mean that the comment to which I was responding was not judgmental on your part, regardless of whether or not she opened up in regards to the things which you mentioned?

In other words,

To me it's a question of how deeply her previous testimony entered into her heart and mind. She initially had issues with gender roles, marriage expectations, and personal autonomy, as well as her own experiences dealing with shame, indoctrination, and struggles with mental health while a member. There is more to the Gospel of Jesus Christ and its theology/doctrine than these personal grievances.

is not a case of you being judgmental about her testimony, and/or the various issues she had? You were just questioning "how deeply her previous testimony entered into her heart and mind" in a totally non-judgmental way?

Sorry to have to spell it out, but you have left me quite unsure if you understood my question.

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Added some more non-judgmental "stuff":

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It is fairly well documented that many of the younger people that are leaving the LDS Church are doing so primarily for reasons having to do with societal influences and reasons of 'bodily autonomy'. If those same people spent time looking seriously into Mormon Theology and thought about the teachings of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the Plan of Salvation/Exaltation rather than 'caving in' to outside influences, I think more of them would find their way IN the church rather than outside the church. This is my personal observation and opinion.

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How dare people be concerned about 'bodily autonomy'! As for "... 'caving in' to outside influences"! O MG!

[Moksha]

If those same people spent time looking seriously into Mormon Theology and thought about the teachings of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the Plan of Salvation/Exaltation rather than 'caving in' to outside influences, I think more of them would find their way IN the church rather than outside the church. This is my personal observation and opinion.

Regards,
MG

Do you think the commandment to Lie for the Lord may have kicked in and led them to write apologetics on message boards instead?

[Dr. Shades]

I don’t see how the LDS Church is a cult. Too many members ignore the leaders and have wide latitude to do what they want.

If a cult loses its grip, does it stop being a cult?

It is definitely a high-demand religion. Cult? No.

Think of the missionary experience and the temple experience. There's very little ignoring of leaders and very little latitude to do what one wants. So, those cultish aspects of the LDS church are still in full force.

[Kishkumen]

If a cult loses its grip, does it stop being a cult?

It is certainly possible for traditions to mature past a stage of charismatic personality cult.

Think of the missionary experience and the temple experience. There's very little ignoring of leaders and very little latitude to do what one wants. So, those cultish aspects of the LDS church are still in full force.

I dunno. In my mission, there were plenty of missionaries who had a rather lax view of their work and the rules. They did not live in terror of the mission president or the LDS Church.

As for the temple, I think it is fair to say that its initiation or endowment had cultish aspects, but these are being watered down and removed. I never had a problem with the temple, and even at my current level of detachment from the LDS Church I don't find it very concerning. Doubtless it does represent a higher level of commitment to and engagement with the LDS Church, but it is largely voluntary. No one denies you food if you do not go through the special initiation. You don't have to go sleepless for days to start the process. Its level of intensity is not very culty.

[sock puppet]

Think of the missionary experience and the temple experience. There's very little ignoring of leaders and very little latitude to do what one wants. So, those cultish aspects of the LDS church are still in full force.

I dunno. In my mission, there were plenty of missionaries who had a rather lax view of their work and the rules. They did not live in terror of the mission president or the LDS Church.

Were there many you observed that did so live in terror?

[Kishkumen]

Were there many you observed that did so live in terror?

Nope. I don't recall any that lived in terror. I recall a few who did not want to be there because they would have preferred living the life of a young single person in college, dating, etc., but they were not in terror.