YouTuber Alyssa Grenfell Has Cost The Church 2.4 Million Dollars

[Marcus]

I mean...and I think you knew it...that I meant that critics, such as Alyssa Grenfell, can do no wrong in the sense that for whatever reason they left the church it COULDN'T have been for the basic/human drive reasons that I stated earlier.

Regards,
MG

Not at all, MG, I knew no such thing - you said "the critics", which I took to mean "the critics". Your specific meaning in this case was far from clear, and I had no clue that that's what you meant until I read this comment from you.

You expect everyone to take "the defenders" at their word, yourself included, but it seems that you must disbelieve any critics - they cannot possibly be acting in good faith. It seems to be a characteristic of an organization like the Mormon church that critics must be demonized, that critics cannot possibly have good, genuine reasons for walking away, or disagreeing with doctrine/teachings.

It's a very fragile organization that cannot bear to be criticized.

No it can't. Mg demonstrates that with every post. He repeatedly argues that his kind are truthful and honest, and anyone who disagrees is dishonest and not only that, they are disagreeing for reasons related to their character failings. His bias is obvious.

[malkie]

Not at all, MG, I knew no such thing - you said "the critics", which I took to mean "the critics". Your specific meaning in this case was far from clear, and I had no clue that that's what you meant until I read this comment from you.

You expect everyone to take "the defenders" at their word, yourself included, but it seems that you must disbelieve any critics - they cannot possibly be acting in good faith. It seems to be a characteristic of an organization like the Mormon church that critics must be demonized, that critics cannot possibly have good, genuine reasons for walking away, or disagreeing with doctrine/teachings.

It's a very fragile organization that cannot bear to be criticized.

Again, a misrepresentation and/or misunderstanding on your part, malkie. I have known critics that are as honest as the day is long. Earlier upthread I gave some commentary in regards to what I see as the underlying foundation of what motivates SOME critics. To point towards the possibility that Alyssa may have had some other ‘stuff’ going on in her life and attitudes that might play a part in her personal apostasy seems to be an absolute unadulterated no no to even consider.

I’m saying that there are many critics that can’t have that…that an apostate can have done no wrong or made bad decisions along the way which may have had an influence in their decisions.

Regards,
MG

You're saying that now. That is not at all what I took you to be saying before. You will choose what to believe whatever you want to - that doesn't make it true.

But do continue to cast aspersions.

[MG 2.0]

Again, a misrepresentation and/or misunderstanding on your part, malkie. I have known critics that are as honest as the day is long. Earlier upthread I gave some commentary in regards to what I see as the underlying foundation of what motivates SOME critics. To point towards the possibility that Alyssa may have had some other ‘stuff’ going on in her life and attitudes that might play a part in her personal apostasy seems to be an absolute unadulterated no no to even consider.

I’m saying that there are many critics that can’t have that…that an apostate can have done no wrong or made bad decisions along the way which may have had an influence in their decisions.

Regards,
MG

You're saying that now. That is not at all what I took you to be saying before. You will choose what to believe whatever you want to - that doesn't make it true.

But do continue to cast aspersions.

I suppose we will leave it there for now. I’m not throwing aspersions your way. I do believe you are/were throwing one at me, however.

Regards,
MG

[Everybody Wang Chung]

I suppose we will leave it there for now. I’m not throwing aspersions your way. I do believe you are/were throwing one at me, however.

Oh, thank goodness we're leaving it there.

[malkie]

You're saying that now. That is not at all what I took you to be saying before. You will choose what to believe whatever you want to - that doesn't make it true.

But do continue to cast aspersions.

I suppose we will leave it there for now. I’m not throwing aspersions your way. I do believe you are/were throwing one at me, however.

Regards,
MG

As a member of the class of persons, "agnostic", I cannot help feeling that you are. According to you, I can just make things up. Presumably you mean that I need to believe in the same god as you in order not to just casually lie about whatever I feel like. However, I should not feel bad in any way, right?

[I Have Questions]

I find it fascinating that Mormons can criticise people for giving advice to others about leaving their religion when that religion is Mormonism, but will cheer on their missionaries and laud any success when they give advice to people about leaving their religion in favour of joining Mormonism.

It’s a clear double standard. It’s blatant hypocrisy. But they don’t see it.

[Mag’ladroth]

I find it fascinating that Mormons can criticise people for giving advice to others about leaving their religion when that religion is Mormonism, but will cheer on their missionaries and laud any success when they give advice to people about leaving their religion in favour of joining Mormonism.

It’s a clear double standard. It’s blatant hypocrisy. But they don’t see it.

I mean it’s right there in every single conference talk about how every church doesn’t have authority and is the church of the devil because they don’t spend millions on temples for plagiarized Masonic rituals mixed with Joseph’s Bible fan fiction.

But in a more charitable read, hypocrisy is ok as long as it serves the church and its goals. I’m sure you can pick examples.

[malkie]

I find it fascinating that Mormons can criticise people for giving advice to others about leaving their religion when that religion is Mormonism, but will cheer on their missionaries and laud any success when they give advice to people about leaving their religion in favour of joining Mormonism.

It’s a clear double standard. It’s blatant hypocrisy. But they don’t see it.

But Mormons are encouraging people to leave the church of the devil, right? And Mormonism is the church of the Lamb of God

Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil

Why would you not want people to leave the devil behind, and join the church of the Lamb of God instead?

[I Have Questions]

I find it fascinating that Mormons can criticise people for giving advice to others about leaving their religion when that religion is Mormonism, but will cheer on their missionaries and laud any success when they give advice to people about leaving their religion in favour of joining Mormonism.

It’s a clear double standard. It’s blatant hypocrisy. But they don’t see it.

But Mormons are encouraging people to leave the church of the devil, right? And Mormonism is the church of the Lamb of God

Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil

Why would you not want people to leave the devil behind, and join the church of the Lamb of God instead?

One wonders why Nelson didn’t denounce the Pope and his cardinals to their faces. Rather than cowardly taking passive aggressive cheap shots in their direction from the safety of a conference room full of yes men and yes women.

[MG 2.0]

I suppose we will leave it there for now. I’m not throwing aspersions your way. I do believe you are/were throwing one at me, however.

Regards,
MG

As a member of the class of persons, "agnostic", I cannot help feeling that you are. According to you, I can just make things up. Presumably you mean that I need to believe in the same god as you in order not to just casually lie about whatever I feel like. However, I should not feel bad in any way, right?

I have no reason to think that you are a liar.

Regards,
MG