YouTuber Alyssa Grenfell Has Cost The Church 2.4 Million Dollars

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Re: YouTuber Alyssa Grenfell Has Cost The Church 2.4 Million Dollars

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drumdude wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:21 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:19 pm
I would expect that within the bounds of decorum and decency President Nelson and other church authorities share their testimonies of Christ and if prompted to also bear witness of the Book of Mormon and its witness of Christ. I believe they share copies of the Book of Mormon when it is acceptable/warranted in any given situation.

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Mormonism looks like a weird sideshow compared to the Christian church that has existed for 2000 years.
It does, and its cultish nature makes it harder than it should be for people to separate themselves when they want to. Alyssa is helping with that. Just like someone helping people leave Scientology.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Re: YouTuber Alyssa Grenfell Has Cost The Church 2.4 Million Dollars

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I Have Questions wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:27 pm
drumdude wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:21 pm
Mormonism looks like a weird sideshow compared to the Christian church that has existed for 2000 years.
It does, and its cultish nature makes it harder than it should be for people to separate themselves when they want to. Alyssa is helping with that. Just like someone helping people leave Scientology.
Another short post from you that tells me you have a one track mind. And to not take you seriously. Scientology=CofJCofLDS

Sheesh.

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For anybody lurking who wants to separate from the Mormon Church, or who wants to explore their doubts and concerns using Alyssa’s experiences, here is a link to her website. It contains her perspectives in articles, etc. which you may find useful. Here is an example of her content and style:
Alright, let’s just rip the Band-Aid off—I don’t believe in God. At all. And yes, I know that probably makes some of you clutch your pearls, but stick with me. Here’s the thing: I wasn’t always an atheist.

I grew up very Mormon. Like, prayed-morning-and-night, got-married-in-the-temple, knocked-on-strangers’-doors-to-convert-them Mormon. God wasn’t just part of my life—He was the point of my life.

But somewhere along the way, things started falling apart. Like, what do you do when the God you were raised to love keeps ghosting you? When the “revelations” you’ve banked your life on turn out to be completely wrong? When you start realizing that maybe, just maybe, the “burning in the bosom” is more about feelings than facts?

This isn’t a video about why you should stop believing in God—don’t worry, I’m not about to knock on your door like I used to. This is a video about why I stopped believing. And let me tell you, the journey from Mormon missionary to atheist has been a wild, sometimes painful, but ultimately freeing ride. Let’s dive in.
Enjoy and I hope you find something useful in there.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 7:36 pm
For anybody lurking who wants to separate from the Mormon Church, or who wants to explore their doubts and concerns using Alyssa’s experiences, here is a link to her website. It contains her perspectives in articles, etc. which you may find useful. Here is an example of her content and style:
Alright, let’s just rip the Band-Aid off—I don’t believe in God. At all. And yes, I know that probably makes some of you clutch your pearls, but stick with me. Here’s the thing: I wasn’t always an atheist.

I grew up very Mormon. Like, prayed-morning-and-night, got-married-in-the-temple, knocked-on-strangers’-doors-to-convert-them Mormon. God wasn’t just part of my life—He was the point of my life.

But somewhere along the way, things started falling apart. Like, what do you do when the God you were raised to love keeps ghosting you? When the “revelations” you’ve banked your life on turn out to be completely wrong? When you start realizing that maybe, just maybe, the “burning in the bosom” is more about feelings than facts?

This isn’t a video about why you should stop believing in God—don’t worry, I’m not about to knock on your door like I used to. This is a video about why I stopped believing. And let me tell you, the journey from Mormon missionary to atheist has been a wild, sometimes painful, but ultimately freeing ride. Let’s dive in.
Enjoy and I hope you find something useful in there.
One of the factors that led to Alyssa’s disillusionment was with bodily autonomy and her search for authenticity outside of the constraints of religion. As critics are wont to say, the LDS Church and its commandments/gospel teachings are “high demand”. Some of these expectations that the gospel of Jesus Christ might put on members may be beyond and/or not conform to the personal desires of what some call “bodily autonomy” and “authenticity”.

Scriptural lingo might refer to it as the “natural man”. Some more useful information to introduce Alyssa:
In this captivating interview, Alyssa shares poignant moments that shaped her perception of gender roles, societal expectations, and the struggle for self-worth within the Mormon context. The narrative explores her attempts to reconcile personal identity with the rigid doctrines of the Church, touching on themes of control, body autonomy, and the internal conflicts that arise when faith clashes with individual growth.

Alyssa recounts her mission, marriage, and the disillusionment that eventually led to her departure from the Mormon Church. The interview offers a powerful reflection on the cost of leaving behind the familiar for the pursuit of personal authenticity. Listeners are invited to join this intimate journey of self-discovery, challenging societal norms, and finding empowerment outside the constraints of religious expectations.
Mormon Stories Episode 1850-Introduction-Apple Podcasts
Often, leaving a high demand religion has other contributing factors besides ‘belief’. The question is whether or not those other factors influence continued belief.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 8:26 pm
Scriptural lingo might refer to it as the “natural man”. Some more useful information to introduce Alyssa:
In this captivating interview, Alyssa shares poignant moments that shaped her perception of gender roles, societal expectations, and the struggle for self-worth within the Mormon context. The narrative explores her attempts to reconcile personal identity with the rigid doctrines of the Church, touching on themes of control, body autonomy, and the internal conflicts that arise when faith clashes with individual growth.

Alyssa recounts her mission, marriage, and the disillusionment that eventually led to her departure from the Mormon Church. The interview offers a powerful reflection on the cost of leaving behind the familiar for the pursuit of personal authenticity. Listeners are invited to join this intimate journey of self-discovery, challenging societal norms, and finding empowerment outside the constraints of religious expectations.
Mormon Stories Episode 1850-Introduction-Apple Podcasts
Often, leaving a high demand religion has other contributing factors besides ‘belief’. The question is whether or not those other factors influence continued belief.

Regards,
MG
You've provided a quoted without a link. Please provide a link to your source, or is this AI generated content?
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 8:42 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 8:26 pm
Scriptural lingo might refer to it as the “natural man”. Some more useful information to introduce Alyssa:
You've provided a quoted without a link. Please provide a link to your source, or is this AI generated content?
I did show you where to go and find the information. However, for more clarity let’s try this:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/1 ... 0641482396

I think you need to have Apple Podcasts App on your device.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 9:01 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 8:42 pm
You've provided a quoted without a link. Please provide a link to your source, or is this AI generated content?
I did show you where to go and find the information. However, for more clarity let’s try this:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/1 ... 0641482396

I think you need to have Apple Podcasts App on your device.

Regards,
MG
You insist other people provide time stamps, so it’s reasonable to demand the same from you. Time stamps please (assuming you’ve actually listened to the podcast and not just skimmed the blurb in the description).
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 8:26 pm
One of the factors that led to Alyssa’s disillusionment was with bodily autonomy and her search for authenticity outside of the constraints of religion.
What is your understanding of “body autonomy” and what does Alyssa say about it, specifically?
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 9:11 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 8:26 pm
One of the factors that led to Alyssa’s disillusionment was with bodily autonomy and her search for authenticity outside of the constraints of religion.
What is your understanding of “body autonomy” and what does Alyssa say about it, specifically?
It seems like we are on the verge of victim blaming? She has stated Mormonism owns your body. It tells you how to dress how to behave around the opposite sex and it is perfectly ok for a middle age man to tell 13 year olds this.
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Aug 30, 2025 8:26 pm
One of the factors that led to Alyssa’s disillusionment was with bodily autonomy and her search for authenticity outside of the constraints of religion. As critics are wont to say, the LDS Church and its commandments/gospel teachings are “high demand”. Some of these expectations that the gospel of Jesus Christ might put on members may be beyond and/or not conform to the personal desires of what some call “bodily autonomy” and “authenticity”.
Bless your heart, Fibber MG. It's a real tragedy when you find out your body belongs to the Mormon church and you have to, like, make your own decisions. The struggle for authenticity and realizing you can choose your own outfits, underwear, and who you'd like to date, is real.
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