Leaving Mormonism, to leaving MAGA

[Philo Sofee]

Accusations of unconstitutional actions are not unknown in modern politics. Executive orders, use of military force, and presidential immunity and executive privilege are the three main areas that will be pointed to by those that have issues with any currently serving president. Accusations of unconstitutional authority/actions have been made against Donald Trump. Admittedly he has been skating on pretty thin ice.

Regards,
MG

Dude, I don't know what Kool Aid you are drinking, but constitutional scholars and historians pretty roundly agree that Trump is violating the Constitution. Consider the fact that Congress has the power to levy tariffs, not the president. Two panels of judges have found against Trump on this. Trump does not know the Constitution, he does not adhere to the Constitution, and he does not care about adhering to the Constitution.

Philo Sophie's correction - Wake up. Wake the “F” up - There I fixed it for you....

[I Have Questions]

Just a side note. This woman complains about Mormonism being a “high demand religion”.

”This woman”. Does the lady have a name?

We seem to be seeing more and more people unwilling or unable to make the sacrifice necessary to be a disciple of Christ as a member of the church.

I agree. The Apostles and the Prophet keep exhorting senior people to serve missions. But some are unwilling to do so. They don’t trust that The Lord will take care of things if they serve. They lack that faith. They find excuses to justify (in their mind) not serving The Lord the way He wants them to. It’s sad to see people fail their test of faith like that.

[Dr. Shades]

Joseph Smith said:

A religion that does not require the sacrifice of all things never has power sufficient to produce the faith necessary unto life and salvation.

Was he on to something?

Yes. The sacrifice of all things--even down to their wives and daughters--was necessary for all members but himself. How fortunate for Joseph that it worked out that way, wasn't it?

There are certain moral standards and sexual purity standards that are part and parcel of being a baptized member of the church keeping covenants.

Did Joseph Smith keep those same moral and sexual purity standards?

[Marcus]

We seem to be seeing more and more people unwilling or unable to make the sacrifice necessary to be a disciple of Christ as a member of the church. There are certain moral standards and sexual purity standards that are part and parcel of being a baptized member of the church keeping covenants. Are there some that aren’t willing to make that sacrifice? This seems to be a thing with this woman.

If someone disbelieves, or comes to disbelieve, in Christ, or in Mormonism, of course they would be "unwilling or unable to make the sacrifice necessary to be a disciple of Christ as a member of the church." And it seems to be that more and more people so disbelieve. So it should come as no surprise that an increasing number of people either do not join the Mormon church, or leave it after joining. Whether that is generally a matter of people unwilling to uphold arbitrary "moral standards and sexual purity standards that are part and parcel of being a baptized member of the church" is debatable, as you imply by your reference to "some that aren’t willing to make that sacrifice".

Do we know whether that is true of "this woman"? If so, why say it "seems to be a thing" with her. If not, why continue with the inuendo? It's almost as if you have decided that she is guilty of moral turpitude, and don't want to miss an opportunity to imply such.

He's breaking his own church's rules, and being judgmental about things he already assumes are true. Of course, he assumes they are true based on nothing more than his own ugly innuendo. It's a closed circle. Look at the circular (lack of) logic he gets to, in just TWO sentences:

I’m willing to concede that her issues with dress and other physical factors may not have been the primary reason she left the church. And yes, if one no longer believes that certain commandments/policies have their origin with inspired men and/or God they are going to ‘go their own way’...

It's difficult to believe a grown man can intentionally be that intellectually dishonest (which is why I still think he does it just to disrupt, provoke, and troll), but every single time, the gymnast's faulty logic results in yet another round of judgmental bigotry.

[malkie]

If someone disbelieves, or comes to disbelieve, in Christ, or in Mormonism, of course they would be "unwilling or unable to make the sacrifice necessary to be a disciple of Christ as a member of the church." And it seems to be that more and more people so disbelieve. So it should come as no surprise that an increasing number of people either do not join the Mormon church, or leave it after joining. Whether that is generally a matter of people unwilling to uphold arbitrary "moral standards and sexual purity standards that are part and parcel of being a baptized member of the church" is debatable, as you imply by your reference to "some that aren’t willing to make that sacrifice".

Do we know whether that is true of "this woman"? If so, why say it "seems to be a thing" with her. If not, why continue with the inuendo? It's almost as if you have decided that she is guilty of moral turpitude, and don't want to miss an opportunity to imply such.

He's breaking his own church's rules, and being judgmental about things he already assumes are true. Of course, he assumes they are true based on nothing more than his own ugly innuendo. It's a closed circle. Look at the circular (lack of) logic he gets to, in just TWO sentences:

I’m willing to concede that her issues with dress and other physical factors may not have been the primary reason she left the church. And yes, if one no longer believes that certain commandments/policies have their origin with inspired men and/or God they are going to ‘go their own way’...

It's difficult to believe a grown man can intentionally be that intellectually dishonest (which is why I still think he does it just to disrupt, provoke, and troll), but every single time, the gymnast's faulty logic results in yet another round of judgmental bigotry.

Perhaps she jumped the gun and started to wear sleeveless tops or dresses before the sleeveless temple garments were available.

Unfortunately, as we know, for some members, including leaders, that is enough to cause someone to be subject to gossip and judgment.

Personal anecdote: a few years ago, at a ward summer picnic, the men in the ward had a soccer game. Most of us wore shorts, having shed our garment bottoms for the occasion.

The next day at priesthood meeting the bishop castigated the men, except for one who was held up as a shining example of faithfulness. Our offence: we didn't change back into our garment bottoms and long pants as soon as the game ended, but continued to parade ourselves in shorts for the rest of the afternoon. For that, we were called to repentance.