I am more inclined to refer to "mother nature" when it is rather obvious that natural events and consequences are occurring in the world of meteorological/weather disasters and mishaps.
Fibber,
Can you give us a few examples where you were less inclined to refer to Mother Nature?
I am becoming more and more disinclined to having a conversation with you, Wang. Constant usage of the designation of "fibber" does not lend itself to civil discussion. Especially when each time you're doing it you are simply lying.
Constant usage of the designation of "fibber" does not lend itself to civil discussion.
Maybe the gymnast is learning. If he could just contort himself one more step to realize that Everybody Wang Chung is invoking mg's "constant usage of the designation of" things like disbeliever who is therefore lacking character doesn't "lend itself to civil discussion" either.
Lol. What am I thinking? That's never going to happen. The gymnast still doesn't even think all of his attempts to cheat with AI were wrong. Plus, a troll uses lies like a gymnast uses chalk. It just enhances his disruption and he'll never stop.
Constant usage of the designation of "fibber" does not lend itself to civil discussion.
Maybe the gymnast is learning. If he could just contort himself one more step to realize that Everybody Wang Chung is invoking mg's "constant usage of the designation of" things like disbeliever who is therefore lacking character doesn't "lend itself to civil discussion" either.
Lol. What am I thinking? That's never going to happen. The gymnast still doesn't even think all of his attempts to cheat with AI were wrong. Plus, a troll uses lies like a gymnast uses chalk. It just enhances his disruption and he'll never stop.
As I've mentioned earlier, it seems as though you and Wang have taken it upon yourselves to work together as a 'tag team'. Both of you following me around and responding with 'fibber!' without actually engaging in and/or answering relevant questions is really not that entertaining, if that is your intent. Huckelberry and others are, I would imagine, tired of the same ol', same ol'. Come out of your protective cocoon and engage in some kind of productive fashion/way rather than doing the 'troll' thing or the 'fibber' thing. I'm sure you have thought about some of the things that I bring up and ask questions about, right? Unfortunately, you rarely actually engage except for the expected/predicted canned responses consisting of some garden variety of personal attack.
You CAN change your ways, Marcus! Bring Wang along with you. For that matter, invite IHQ. All he generally does is ask question upon question without actually engaging with questions that I might bring up during a conversation that are relevant to the discussion.
MG wrote:I am more inclined to refer to "mother nature" when it is rather obvious that natural events and consequences are occurring in the world of meteorological/weather disasters and mishaps.
Isn't that a bit circular? Would anybody disagree? Could you provide an example of an event that isn't obviously natural, along with the consequences?
Lost Gospel of Thomas 1:8 - And Jesus said, "what about the Pharisees? They did it too! Wherefore, we shall do it even more!"
A crack there in your testimony? D&C 59:21 "And in nothing doth man offend God, or against none is his wrath kindled, save those who confess not his hand in all things, and obey not his commandments."
God did create the world. I confess. How do you feel about the commandments part?
Regards,
MG
I don't profess any belief and I don't revere the D&C as revelations from a superior being. So your "commandments part" is a complete misnomer for me. But it sounds like you read D&C 59:21 as God's not offended by those who pick and choose which things to confess God's hand in, rather than "in all things".
"There will come a time when the rich own all the media, and it will be impossible for the public to make an informed opinion." Albert Einstein, ~1949 "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire
God did create the world. I confess. How do you feel about the commandments part?
Regards,
MG
I don't profess any belief and I don't revere the D&C as revelations from a superior being. So your "commandments part" is a complete misnomer for me. But it sounds like you read D&C 59:21 as God's not offended by those who pick and choose which things to confess God's hand in, rather than "in all things".
If God created the world then, again, that includes ALL things. Including the naturalistic way the world works. Is this making sense? Let's put it this way, when a mudslide occurs that's 'mother nature'. The natural world in action! That's been going on a LONG time now.
Maybe the gymnast is learning. If he could just contort himself one more step to realize that Everybody Wang Chung is invoking mg's "constant usage of the designation of" things like disbeliever who is therefore lacking character doesn't "lend itself to civil discussion" either.
Lol. What am i thinking? That's never going to happen. The gymnast still doesn't even think all of his attempts to cheat with AI were wrong. Plus, a troll uses lies like a gymnast uses chalk. It just enhances his disruption and he'll never stop.
As I've mentioned earlier, it seems as though you and Wang have taken it upon yourselves to work together as a 'tag team'. Both of you following me around and responding with 'fibber!' without actually engaging in and/or answering relevant questions is really not that entertaining, if that is your intent. Huckelberry and others are, I would imagine, tired of the same ol', same ol'. Come out of your protective cocoon and engage in some kind of productive fashion/way rather than doing the 'troll' thing or the 'fibber' thing. I'm sure you have thought about some of the things that I bring up and ask questions about, right? Unfortunately, you rarely actually engage except for the expected/predicted canned responses consisting of some garden variety of personal attack.
You CAN change your ways, Marcus! Bring Wang along with you. For that matter, invite IHQ. All he generally does is ask question upon question without actually engaging with questions that I might bring up during a conversation that are relevant to the discussion.
Regards,
MG
I have been involved in Mormon apologetics for a decent amount of time. Nothing you have ever presented on this board is compelling. If I were an investigator and was watching the flow of your apologetic responses regarding Mormonism and its truth claims I would not be persuaded. It follows the same template in almost every single discussion. When cornered with overwhelming evidence you either vaporize into a ghost and vanish or you create elaborate Don Bradley esoteric style stories that create pictures in an exhibition that isn't real. I assume, unless you're a narcissistic Poe, that it has to be real for you or you face what would happen to Lori Daybell if she allowed herself to accept what she did. As I have said before, every single Mormon truth claim favors the critic and rather than accept that you attempt to defend the indefensible but in drive by fashion with insults veiled as moving parts.
I don't profess any belief and I don't revere the D&C as revelations from a superior being. So your "commandments part" is a complete misnomer for me. But it sounds like you read D&C 59:21 as God's not offended by those who pick and choose which things to confess God's hand in, rather than "in all things".
If God created the world then, again, that includes ALL things. Including the naturalistic way the world works. Is this making sense? Let's put it this way, when a mudslide occurs that's 'mother nature'. The natural world in action! That's been going on a LONG time now.
Regards,
MG
It is simply sophistry to skirt what D&C 59:21 says, because you cannot fathom your God being the cause of the mudslide. So you can't bring yourself to confess God's hand in all things. Therefore you offend your God.
"There will come a time when the rich own all the media, and it will be impossible for the public to make an informed opinion." Albert Einstein, ~1949 "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire
MG wrote:I am more inclined to refer to "mother nature" when it is rather obvious that natural events and consequences are occurring in the world of meteorological/weather disasters and mishaps.
Isn't that a bit circular? Would anybody disagree? Could you provide an example of an event that isn't obviously natural, along with the consequences?
Dean, I’ve heard many a faith promoting anecdote about how prayer caused the rains to come, or the rains to stop. Then there’s the great tale of the seagulls and the crickets. How the seagulls came just in the nick of time in answer to prayers. Yet all this time those events were simply coincidental with acts of Mother Nature. Who knew… Although I would note that acknowledging that acts of nature, including human nature, are simply out of God’s control, renders the notion of prayer seeking His intervention somewhat pointless. It was good of MG to point out the futility of all those wasted prayers and fasting sessions. It makes me wonder what purpose blessing the food or anointing the sick does, if Mother Nature will do whatever she wants whilst God stands there, powerless.
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Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
If God created the world then, again, that includes ALL things. Including the naturalistic way the world works. Is this making sense? Let's put it this way, when a mudslide occurs that's 'mother nature'. The natural world in action! That's been going on a LONG time now.
Regards,
MG
It is simply sophistry to skirt what D&C 59:21 says, because you cannot fathom your God being the cause of the mudslide. So you can't bring yourself to confess God's hand in all things. Therefore you offend your God.
It looks like we are understanding things differently. I DO confess God's hand in all things at the macro level. God created all things in a natural order. That's what I've said at least a couple of times now. How much God intervenes in the world of nature when things happen 'by nature', I don't know. It may happen at times. But I do believe that the world we live in is sometimes unpredictable and nasty towards humans.
