Jacob Hansen: Yesser No?

[huckelberry]

Sock puppet, I am stumbling about a bit unsure of what view you are supporting. I do not think I said anything avoiding or rejecting the understanding that God has made covenants and they are central to our relationship with God.

I do not think rejecting marriage and all possessions is part of a covenant.

[sock puppet]

Sock puppet, I am stumbling about a bit unsure of what view you are supporting. I do not think I said anything avoiding or rejecting the understanding that God has made covenants and they are central to our relationship with God.

I do not think rejecting marriage and all possessions is part of a covenant.

On what basis are you drawing the distinction to other commandments/rules/guidelines/what have you? Or are there any that you think God intended to apply to all mankind?

[huckelberry]

Sock puppet, I am stumbling about a bit unsure of what view you are supporting. I do not think I said anything avoiding or rejecting the understanding that God has made covenants and they are central to our relationship with God.

I do not think rejecting marriage and all possessions is part of a covenant.

On what basis are you drawing the distinction to other commandments/rules/guidelines/what have you? Or are there any that you think God intended to apply to all mankind?

Sure, love and respect your creator. Love and respect your neighbor and yourself, do not make destructive decisions.

[sock puppet]

On what basis are you drawing the distinction to other commandments/rules/guidelines/what have you? Or are there any that you think God intended to apply to all mankind?

Sure, love and respect your creator. Love and respect your neighbor and yourself, do not make destructive decisions.

So some of Jesus' commandments/rules/guidelines are universally applicable. Others, like the monastic life/existence are not. Is there something Jesus said or did that is a guide for distinguishing which are universal and which are not?

[huckelberry]

Sure, love and respect your creator. Love and respect your neighbor and yourself, do not make destructive decisions.

So some of Jesus' commandments/rules/guidelines are universally applicable. Others, like the monastic life/existence are not. Is there something Jesus said or did that is a guide for distinguishing which are universal and which are not?

You found a list of covenants and commandments none of which involved monastic life. I reviewed the sermon on the mount for rules and found do not trust riches but no monastic commandment
I think the entire church for 2000 years understood monastic as a special calling for a few because it is presented that way in the gospels. An individual made a personal question and wanted more than the normal rules which Jesus first pointed to. Then the sell everything path is suggested.

If you want some absolute authority on how to interpret the matter I know of none. One has to use ones head.

[huckelberry]

Sock puppet, I have mixed feelings about the monastic life. It can be simple contemplative avoiding the trappings of greed and power. It also may offer secure living in a secure location. Sometimes getting support from the poor folks who have to work to make the world go round.

Sell all you own can be a demonstration or experiment. It is not a workable economic system or final goal.

[PseudoPaul]

Yup, that was pretty much the whole program.

Pseudopaul,

To my reading, those things were suggested for a few people, not everybody. That was the mainline understanding in the following centuries when some people felt called to monastic living while most Christians married had children and productive employment.

That idea continues to this day. For respite from daily living and to have a time for contemplation and prayer, one can visit a monastery and stay a few days. One may also chose to follow that life.

All of his closest circle of followers lived nomadic lives, leaving wives, children and jobs to travel to Jewish towns in Galilee preaching Jesus' gospel, relying on strangers to feed them.

[I Have Questions]

Pseudopaul,

To my reading, those things were suggested for a few people, not everybody. That was the mainline understanding in the following centuries when some people felt called to monastic living while most Christians married had children and productive employment.

That idea continues to this day. For respite from daily living and to have a time for contemplation and prayer, one can visit a monastery and stay a few days. One may also chose to follow that life.

All of his closest circle of followers lived nomadic lives, leaving wives, children and jobs to travel to Jewish towns in Galilee preaching Jesus' gospel, relying on strangers to feed them.

Just like today’s LDS Apostles…oh…wait…

[MG 2.0]

All of his closest circle of followers lived nomadic lives, leaving wives, children and jobs to travel to Jewish towns in Galilee preaching Jesus' gospel, relying on strangers to feed them.

Just like today’s LDS Apostles…oh…wait…

You are constantly criticizing the leaders of the church. I am assuming that at one time you may have been an active and temple worthy member of the church. If so, I think this may apply to you:

Many of us have made a sacred covenant in holy places to avoid evil speaking of the Lord’s anointed. I believe if we violate those covenants, we lose the protection of the Spirit and are vulnerable to the power of evil adversaries. As we succumb to their influences, thoughtful analysis with an intent to help and bless turns into criticism and bad mouthing with the intent to harm and debase. That negativity is not only habit forming, it’s contagious as well.
https://latterdaysaintmag.com/article-1-13005/

As we can see on this board. The contagion is spread and reinforced when in a closed room.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

...criticism and bad mouthing with the intent to harm and debase...

The Mental Gymnast is projecting again.