Happy Birthday President Nelson!

[I Have Questions]

Yes he has. Multiple times.

Troll. You have a sick addiction to wanting/needing to follow me around. It's kind of yucky and twisted.

Regards,
MG

MG, that is neither kind, nor conducive to peacemaking. Why are you ignoring Nelson’s advice? Advice that you lauded on this very thread. As I said, were you no not follow that advice, your mask would be off.

[I Have Questions]

Someday you will be accountable for your words. Mark my word. I would imagine that a gradual slide towards criticism of the Brethren here, and a little here and there led to your apostasy and ease in which you mock the Brethren. And you claimed to be Bishop? And you made some other claims that weren't true. You are a liar.

And, most importantly, you seem to have no shame when you do what you do. I wonder how this seeps into your marriage, assuming that you still are married.

Regards,
MG

That is neither kind, nor peacemaking. Why are you ignoring the advice from Nelson that you lauded? Here is something your Church Leaders have released over the last 24 hours…

We also pray that we may treat one another with greater kindness, compassion and goodness. For members of the Church, we reaffirm the Savior’s teaching and admonition is to love our neighbor.

Why do you continue to ignore their counsel?

[yellowstone123]

thank you for this post M.G. 2.0 . I'm really interested in President Nelson's life, especially when he was a surgeon during the Korean War. I would like to do some research to see how many hours he spent in Korea and how many times he did surgery on those injured in combat, but I have a thought disorder so that's not likely. Here is an article from LDS living:

https://www.ldsliving.com/2-spiritual-e ... ar/s/91940.

This is a story that Lynn Packer should do research on.

Was this from one of those stories they later had to retract?

I'm not sure. I did a little research a while back about obtaining military records after I quickly reviewed the article. From what I read at the time the public is not able to just go in and read someone's military record because they want to, but they need a compelling reason. Individuals can't wave a freedom of information thing for the records. It seems that this story echos stories written about Boyd K. Packer and his experience as a B-24 Liberator co-pilot in WW2. It really lacks details where stories about Senator George McGovern flying a B-24 at the same time give many details. Details are important so a person can either corroborate the information provided with other sources which bolsters the truthfulness of the story, or questions it.

[yellowstone123]

Some numbers for President Nelson’s birthday:

16: age when Nelson was baptized.

20: age when Nelson was sealed to Dantzel White.

10: number of Russell and Dantzel’s children.

59: years that Russell and Dantzel Nelson were married.

0: school days missed by Nelson in junior high, high school, college, and medical school.

$15: monthly pay when Nelson was an intern at the University of Minnesota Hospitals.

7,000: approximate number of surgeries performed by Nelson.

118: longest string of consecutive open-heart operations without a death performed by Nelson.

$60,000: salary offered Nelson by the University of Chicago in 1965 to become professor of surgery and chairman of the division of cardiovascular and thoracic surgery. (The university also offered to cover four years of education at any college for the Nelsons’ nine children.) After counseling with David O. McKay, Nelson turned down the offer to stay in Salt Lake City.

5: times that Nelson has narrowly escaped death: evading sniper fire in Korea (1951), getting knocked into the water while floating down the Snake River (1961), getting knocked into the water while rafting the Colorado River with his family (1972), riding in a plummeting airplane with an exploded engine in Utah (1976), and getting robbed in a mission home in Mozambique (2009).

6,887: miles driven by the Nelson family during a summer vacation in 1965.

49: Nelson’s age when he and Dantzel received the second anointing.

81: Nelson’s age when he was sealed to Wendy Watson.

11: languages that Nelson is conversant in (LDS Newsroom).

12: minimum number of languages that Nelson has studied (French, Latin, Greek, Russian, Chinese, Spanish, Portuguese, German, Hebrew, Bulgarian, Czech, and Romanian) (LDS Living).

115: general conference talks given by Nelson.

200: new temples announced by Nelson since 2018.

28: temples that have been dedicated out of the 200 announced by Nelson since 2018.

49: temples dedicated during Nelson’s time as church president.

5: temples personally dedicated by Nelson (4 since 2018).

4: temples personally rededicated by Nelson (2 since 2018).

Thank you for writing this, Tom. I love to read about successful people.

When reading about President Nelson's medical training, being a pioneer in open-heart surgery, the successful surgeries he performed, I think of another person about the same age.

Almost two years prior to Nelson's birth, Paul Wilchinsky was born in New York City to a poor Jewish family. He wanted to become a doctor but the family was too poor to send him to medical school. He decided to go west to make his fortune and moved to Hollywood.

I was lucky because he created the Paul Winchell Children’s show which featured his two ventriloquist dummies, Jerry Mahoney and Knucklehead Smiff. This show was the best, and for me it slightly outranked Sheriff John and Hobo Kelly.

Now known as Paul Winchell, he still loved science and studied the way a human heart worked, and working with Dr. Henry Heimlich, designed an artificial heart which received a patent.

Years later when he was designing other things, the University of Utah would contact him. Ultimately he donated the artificial heart patent to the University of Utah for further research.

Paul was very curious and was not content on people telling him how things worked, he wanted to know for himself and designed experiements. We are all better off for the way he obtained truth.

And now back to our regular programming about President Nelson.

[I Have Questions]

thank you for this post M.G. 2.0 . I'm really interested in President Nelson's life, especially when he was a surgeon during the Korean War. I would like to do some research to see how many hours he spent in Korea and how many times he did surgery on those injured in combat, but I have a thought disorder so that's not likely. Here is an article from LDS living:

https://www.ldsliving.com/2-spiritual-e ... ar/s/91940.

This is a story that Lynn Packer should do research on.

He was only very briefly in Korea, and didn’t do any surgery whilst he was there.

For much of his military service, President Nelson was assigned to Walter Reed Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland. But during the summer of 1951, he toured all mobile army surgical hospital (MASH) units in South Korea and gave recommendations for improved medical care for injured soldiers, which sometimes took him right to the battlefront.

He was a junior member of a research team led by “Fiorindo A. Simeone, a professor of surgery at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland who had been a clinical investigator in the Mediterranean Theater during World War II.”

For context. At the peak there were 5 Mash units in Korea. With 2 or 3 surgeons in each. I’d estimate Nelson spent 7-10 days in Korea during the Korean War.

[MG 2.0]

Troll. You have a sick addiction to wanting/needing to follow me around. It's kind of yucky and twisted.

Regards,
MG

MG, that is neither kind, nor conducive to peacemaking. Why are you ignoring Nelson’s advice? Advice that you lauded on this very thread. As I said, were you no not follow that advice, your mask would be off.

Calling out something for what it is, is not inappropriate. Especially if it is something that one sees as potentially harmful or meant to cause distress.

Regards,
MG

[I Have Questions]

MG, that is neither kind, nor conducive to peacemaking. Why are you ignoring Nelson’s advice? Advice that you lauded on this very thread. As I said, were you no not follow that advice, your mask would be off.

Calling out something for what it is, is not inappropriate. Especially if it is something that one sees as potentially harmful or meant to cause distress.

Where did I say it was inappropriate? What I said was that your comment wasn’t kind, nor conducive to peacemaking. In that respect you’ve ignored Nelson’s counsel, again. Your posts should all be kind in nature, and aimed at peacemaking rather than perpetuating the divide. Stop ignoring your Prophet’s counsel, counsel that you brought to the boards attention.

[Gadianton]

Someday you will be accountable for your words. Mark my word. I would imagine that a gradual slide towards criticism of the Brethren here, and a little here and there led to your apostasy and ease in which you mock the Brethren. And you claimed to be Bishop? And you made some other claims that weren't true. You are a liar.

And, most importantly, you seem to have no shame when you do what you do. I wonder how this seeps into your marriage, assuming that you still are married.

MG,

Let's step back a moment. Let's step back to your creation of this thread. You created this thread to troll the board. You know many people here don't like Nelson -- namely those who you've had several altercations with recently -- and so you made a conscious decision to start a thread where you plug your ears and praise Nelson without reservation. Just to annoy people. I'm okay with that, as trolling is allowed on this forum. However, let's not pretend you were doing anything other than that. You were hoping it would goad those you've recently had personal altercations with. And it did. The reaction was about as expected. And so, MG, you trolled the board, the board reacted exactly as we might expect, and now you find yourself in a state of feigned disbelief, threating those who reacted just as you expected them to react, with Eternal judgement from God.

You might argue that you really mean everything you say about Nelson, he's your prophet and you cherish him deeply. I don't buy it for a second. You're an Internet Mormon. You pick and choose what you want to believe and don't care about what the prophets say for the most part. You couldn't care less about the brethren. The final proof you don't care about Nelson is intentionally and with as much annoying flair as possible, "cast your pearls before swine" in order to provoke "the swine" into a reaction. You wouldn't do that with something you really held personal or sacred.

It's also worth pointing out that God is not going to hold anybody accountable for anything because there is no such thing as God. So everything Everybody Wang Chung is saying he's getting away with Scott free. It's also worth pointing out the "brethren" are bureaucrats. They are no more holy or deserving of respect than the board members of a beer company. They deserve to be made fun of just as many self-important people in power deserve to be made fun of.

[MG 2.0]

It's also worth pointing out that God is not going to hold anybody accountable for anything because there is no such thing as God. So everything Everybody Wang Chung is saying he's getting away with Scott free. It's also worth pointing out the "brethren" are bureaucrats. They are no more holy or deserving of respect than the board members of a beer company. They deserve to be made fun of just as many self-important people in power deserve to be made fun of.

That says it all, right there. Everything else you said was just fluff.

Regards,
MG

[Everybody Wang Chung]

Someday you will be accountable for your words. Mark my word. I would imagine that a gradual slide towards criticism of the Brethren here, and a little here and there led to your apostasy and ease in which you mock the Brethren. And you claimed to be Bishop? And you made some other claims that weren't true. You are a liar.

And, most importantly, you seem to have no shame when you do what you do. I wonder how this seeps into your marriage, assuming that you still are married.

Fibber,

While I appreciate your concern for my eternal well-being, and I know it comes from a place of love and concern, I can assure you that my words are carefully considered. The gradual slide you speak of was less of an apostasy and more of a conscious decision to value transparency over blind obedience. As for my past claims, I stand by them. My bishopric was an experience, and those who served with me know the truth, as do several people here that know me in real life. It seems your definition of "truth" and mine have parted ways, substantially.

I find it fascinating that you've managed to connect my online commentary to the state of my marriage. My lack of shame, as you put it, is simply a reflection of my comfort in speaking my mind. It's a skill I've honed over many years. Perhaps you could learn a thing or two from my unapologetic approach.

Fibber, if a deity is indeed keeping a tally, I'm quite confident that my commitment to candor and a little lightheartedness will be seen in a more favorable light than your constant personal attacks, lies, disgusting behavior and unchristian treatment of your brothers and sisters here.

Again, that's some great missionary work, Fibber.