Happy Valley Political Shooting

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bill4long wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 7:24 pm
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Fri Sep 12, 2025 7:19 pm
In another instance, he referred to “a moronic black woman” in customer service and questioned whether she was hired “because of her excellence, or … because of affirmative action.”
I have encountered moronic black women too that I wonder whether or not they were hired for DEI reasons. How is that not a perfectly rational suspicion?
Yeah... you don't happen to know who the actual moron was in that scenario.
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bill4long wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 7:16 pm
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Fri Sep 12, 2025 7:12 pm


He has said on video that if he sees a black pilot he worries about his competency.
Assuming he said that, it's not necessarily a "racist" comment. It depends on why that might have concerned him. He cited DEI hiring practices as a reason. That's not racism. That anti-DEI-ism. Some airline carriers embrace DEI and make merit a subordinate criterion.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 7:26 pm
Kirk also claimed George Floyd died from a drug overdose, not from Officer Derek Chauvin’s knee on his neck. Moreover, he praised Kyle Rittenhouse after he killed a racial justice protester following George Floyd’s death, telling him: “You’re a hero to millions, it’s an honor to be able to have you.” It’s inescapable that Kirk was a racist.
I think Floyd was a POS, and it's undeniable that the drugs in his system contributed to his death. But even if Kirk (or I) was wrong about that, it doesn't make him a racist, unless you have evidence that his (and my view) of Floyd was due him being black. (You don't.) It has to do with that fact that he was a POS criminal drug addict who wouldn't comply with lawful orders by the police. You can disagree with the characterization, but tagging one with a "racist" label because of this only indicates your brain isn't functioning properly.
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Rivendale wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 7:31 pm
bill4long wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 7:16 pm


Assuming he said that, it's not necessarily a "racist" comment. It depends on why that might have concerned him. He cited DEI hiring practices as a reason. That's not racism. That anti-DEI-ism. Some airline carriers embrace DEI and make merit a subordinate criterion.
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bill4long wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 7:33 pm

I think Floyd was a POS...
Where in the US criminal code is the article that says that if a person is a fragment of excrement, as judged by a police officer during an arrest event, the said fragment may be lawfully put to death without trial by the officer kneeling on his neck for a long time, despite the fact that:

1. The said fragment is handcuffed, subdued and lying on the ground;

2. The said fragment exhibits signs of distress, and says repeatedly that he cannot breathe, possibly due to an officer kneeling on his neck?

Asking for a friend who does not understand US law.
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Rivendale wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 7:31 pm
bill4long wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 7:16 pm


Assuming he said that, it's not necessarily a "racist" comment. It depends on why that might have concerned him. He cited DEI hiring practices as a reason. That's not racism. That anti-DEI-ism. Some airline carriers embrace DEI and make merit a subordinate criterion.
Jesus. You can't be serious.
Accusing someone of being racist because they wonder about a pilots qualifications when working for a compnay that practices DEI racism that subordinates merit under racial quotas is a rational self-preservation instinct. The racism came from the airlines that practiced DEI racism. You've got the cart before the horse.

American Airlines, Southwest Airlines and United Airlines were are all sued (and lost) because of the racist DEI hiring practices that subordinated merit under racial quotas. All subsequentally agreed to abandon the practice. Later, Trump issued an executive order that Jan 2025 banning the practice in the aviation industry.
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Chap wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 8:03 pm
bill4long wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 7:33 pm

I think Floyd was a POS...
Where in the US criminal code is the article that says that if a person is a fragment of excrement, as judged by a police officer during an arrest event, the said fragment may be lawfully put to death without trial by the officer kneeling on his neck for a long time, despite the fact that:

1. The said fragment is handcuffed, subdued and lying on the ground;

2. The said fragment exhibits signs of distress, and says repeatedly that he cannot breathe, possibly due to an officer kneeling on his neck?

Asking for a friend who does not understand US law.
I think the officer improperly handled the situation. Both Floyd and and officer contributed to his death. Feel free to disagree with my take, but my (and Kirk's) take are not racist. If the races were reversed in the Floyd situation, my opinion would be the same (and I'm reasonbly confident given what I know of Kirk, that Kirk would have agreed.) So then how is it racist?
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bill4long wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 8:05 pm
Accusing someone of being racist because they wonder about a pilots qualifications when working for a compnay that practices DEI racism that subordinates merit under racial quotas is a rational self-preservation instinct. The racism came from the airlines that practiced DEI racism. You've got the cart before the horse.
The racist part is that Kirk seemed concerned only when pilots with dark skin are at the controls. There was no other reason given.

That’s how racism works.
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canpakes wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 8:25 pm
bill4long wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 8:05 pm
Accusing someone of being racist because they wonder about a pilots qualifications when working for a compnay that practices DEI racism that subordinates merit under racial quotas is a rational self-preservation instinct. The racism came from the airlines that practiced DEI racism. You've got the cart before the horse.
The racist part is that Kirk seemed concerned only when pilots with dark skin are at the controls. There was no other reason given.

That’s how racism works.
What is that old joke? What do you call a black man that just got his pilot license? A pilot you damn racist.
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 6:21 pm
Here is an article that makes some further comment and clarification of this horrendous murder of a good man:

https://www.theblaze.com/news/antifa-ga ... s-may-mean

The radical left has infected our youth to the point they are willing to kill innocent victims. Charlie Kirk was an innocent man.
No, MG. Extremism is destroying our political culture, and that extremism exists as much or more in the MAGA party as it exists on the left. I can't believe that you are lapping up this nonsense produced by the partisan hackery of Glenn Beck. Charlie Kirk did not commit any crimes, but he is a Christian nationalist and white supremacist. So, he was not a good person, even if he was innocent of a crime.
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