CWK#51: Mormon Suspect Tyler Robinson

[Dr. Shades]

I wonder if he'll be granted a presidential pardon.

Why on Earth would Trump pardon the guy who killed his friend?

[Kishkumen]

Why on Earth would Trump pardon the guy who killed his friend?

Malignant narcissists don’t have friends. When Trump was recently asked how he was handling Kirk’s death, he said, and I paraphrase, “Fine, let me show you the great progress we are making on the White House ballroom.”

That’s how much he cared about Kirk.

[Gadianton]

I do not believe it is necessary to be right-wing to be Mormon--far from it--but you can practically trip over and fall into right-wing friends and views

This is absolutely true. The overall family/extended family member I am closest with, their entire family are temp Democrats. I was quite shocked, as this puts them at odds with others who are in Snuffer territory. I've also heard stories about a not entirely rare breed of Democrat Mormons who are more vocal about what's going on and their low opinion of the traditional party.

[Gadianton]

Why on Earth would Trump pardon the guy who killed his friend?

Why on earth Would Nancy Mace call for forgiveness for this same guy?

[Kishkumen]

This is absolutely true. The overall family/extended family member I am closest with, their entire family are temp Democrats. I was quite shocked, as this puts them at odds with others who are in Snuffer territory. I've also heard stories about a not entirely rare breed of Democrat Mormons who are more vocal about what's going on and their low opinion of the traditional party.

Indeed! There are a lot of Mormon Democrats who are small-c conservative in certain ways that align well with the family-and-faith-oriented nature of Mormon society. One does not have to be a nutcase or fringy person to be a Mormon. That said, I found it so easy to come into contact with fringe ideas and the people who hold them in the LDS Church.

[Gadianton]

Fringe stuff was all over then and I can't even imagine the case now. I know a little about the climate as of a few years ago due to other family members who are fully sucked in. Back in my time, I became a conspiracy theorist of the Skousen variety and a serious student of the last days. With my discovery of Nibley, I faded away from that. The kicker though is Nibley is a hot item for some of the worst conspiracy theorists, and Nibley was generally complicit with off-the-rails Last Days speculation due to his beliefs about the law of consecration. However, I fell away from the other stuff without necessarily disbelieving it, because Nibley's stuff was meatier. It seemed like his subject matter was more serious, and there was quite a bit to explore -- ancient languages and history and all that. Once I had my timeline, which predicted the Second Coming in 2021, there wasn't a whole lot to do. Later on, as I met other like-minded missionaries, I fell out of interest because the Bircher political angle annoyed me. I didn't know anything about politics or care anything about it, I just wanted to know about the mysterious of the end times, and so the other baggage that went along with it about worshiping the constitution and getting bent out of shape or environmentalism and stuff like that, was annoying. In fact, I assumed the environment would need to be destroyed because the scriptures say in the end times there will be great pollutions (which Mormons interpreted literally then).

[Dr Exiled]

Why does it matter whether he supported Trump or was living with a person that was transitioning or whatever? He committed a crime and who cares what the nut believed. If he turned out to support one team or another, does it make any difference? Does the idiotic behavior of one make the whole team less than? I know some here wish that were true, but it's an obvious logical fallacy.

[Chap]

Why does it matter whether he supported Trump or was living with a person that was transitioning or whatever? He committed a crime and who cares what the nut believed. If he turned out to support one team or another, does it make any difference? Does the idiotic behavior of one make the whole team less than? I know some here wish that were true, but it's an obvious logical fallacy.

It is very, very important to a lot of people that they should be able to blame this murder on evil leftists. The possibility that the killer might have come from some kind of right-wing group is simply not a notion that they could tolerate.

[Dr Exiled]

Why does it matter whether he supported Trump or was living with a person that was transitioning or whatever? He committed a crime and who cares what the nut believed. If he turned out to support one team or another, does it make any difference? Does the idiotic behavior of one make the whole team less than? I know some here wish that were true, but it's an obvious logical fallacy.

It is very, very important to a lot of people that they should be able to blame this murder on evil leftists. The possibility that the killer might have come from some kind of right-wing group is simply not a notion that they could tolerate.

And it's important, for team politics sake, that the guy isn't left wing either ....

Again, how about we leave the right are fascists and the left are communists silly paradigm the donor class keeps foisting on us?

We are being played by all this hyperbolic rhetoric.

[Kishkumen]

Fringe stuff was all over then and I can't even imagine the case now. I know a little about the climate as of a few years ago due to other family members who are fully sucked in. Back in my time, I became a conspiracy theorist of the Skousen variety and a serious student of the last days. With my discovery of Nibley, I faded away from that. The kicker though is Nibley is a hot item for some of the worst conspiracy theorists, and Nibley was generally complicit with off-the-rails Last Days speculation due to his beliefs about the law of consecration. However, I fell away from the other stuff without necessarily disbelieving it, because Nibley's stuff was meatier. It seemed like his subject matter was more serious, and there was quite a bit to explore -- ancient languages and history and all that. Once I had my timeline, which predicted the Second Coming in 2021, there wasn't a whole lot to do. Later on, as I met other like-minded missionaries, I fell out of interest because the Bircher political angle annoyed me. I didn't know anything about politics or care anything about it, I just wanted to know about the mysterious of the end times, and so the other baggage that went along with it about worshiping the constitution and getting bent out of shape or environmentalism and stuff like that, was annoying. In fact, I assumed the environment would need to be destroyed because the scriptures say in the end times there will be great pollutions (which Mormons interpreted literally then).

Yep! I hear you. I experienced very similar things. Did not really get into the Bircherism, although my grandfather sure did. He took their newsletter. I think he was, however, mostly just a Reagan conservative. Whenever my one formerly liberal uncle (he became increasingly right-wing with age) talked about corporations exploiting third-world countries, my grandfather blew a gasket. I remember listening to all of this stuff with a lot of curiosity and ignorance. I had no idea why any of them thought what they did. I was hoping to figure out the great mysteries, but there were always adults around ready to initiate me into the ways of fringe "conservatism."