Happy Birthday President Nelson!

[MG 2.0]

I read the books for my own edification and enjoyment. Yes, McClellan’s “The Bible Says So” is in my stack as is “Into the Unknown” by Kelsey Johnson. I will confess that I get sidetracked by authors such as David Baldacci. I’m reading the Will Robie series (five books) right now. If I get hooked on some good fiction the other books remain in the pile although I’ll pick them up for a chapter or two here and there.

Fiction is my weak spot.

Honestly, IHQ, I don’t have any desire to share what I’m reading while I’m reading or giving a synopsis at the end of each book I read. It’s for me, not for you.

I hope that answers your question.

Regards,
MG

McClellan's book was worth every minute! Taught me lots of new and good angles I had not considered, and I am no slouch when it comes to the Bible.

I believe you! If your bookshelf is any indication.

Regards.
MG

[I Have Questions]

I note that you are always just starting books and so cannot comment on their content. You’re never “just finishing” a book and giving the board quotes and commentary from it. I wonder why that is?

I read the books for my own edification and enjoyment. Yes, McClellan’s “The Bible Says So” is in my stack as is “Into the Unknown” by Kelsey Johnson. I will confess that I get sidetracked by authors such as David Baldacci. I’m reading the Will Robie series (five books) right now. If I get hooked on some good fiction the other books remain in the pile although I’ll pick them up for a chapter or two here and there.

Fiction is my weak spot.

Honestly, IHQ, I don’t have any desire to share what I’m reading while I’m reading or giving a synopsis at the end of each book I read. It’s for me, not for you.

I hope that answers your question.

Regards,
MG

But you do share what you’re reading. You do that a lot. If it’s for you, and not us, then why do you post things like “I’m reading <insert book title> at the moment…”? You must want us to know what book you’re reading for some reason - what is that reason?

[Rivendale]

The Fancher party wasn't squeaky clean. Another reprehensible assumption…

Through the fog of history some of what we have, granted, is rumor that may or may not be the full truth although it may be partial truth. This is one of those instances. Many members of the Fancher party were from Arkansas, a state where Mormons had faced violent persecution in the past. This fact, whether true or not, fueled existing fears and a sense of animosity. Some rumors even claimed that the party included individuals who had been involved in the murder of Mormon apostle Parley P. Pratt.

Tensions were already high because of the Utah War and Brigham Young’s declaration of martial law. There were a number of factors that created a situation which was primed for conflict.

Regards,
MG

I am very aware of the history. I am aware of the false claim the Fanchers were poisoning water sources, claiming they had the gun who killed the Smith's. Claiming the Indians were to blame. Arkansas was one of many states that didn't get a long with a group of people who didn't tolerate them. Very similar to the documentary Wild Wild Country.

When a controversial guru builds a utopian city in the Oregon desert, it causes a massive conflict with local ranchers. This docuseries chronicles the conflict, which leads to the first bioterror attack in the United States and a massive case of illegal wiretapping. It is a pivotal, but largely forgotten, time in American cultural history that tested the country's tolerance for the separation of church and state.

Sound familiar? The Fanchers were killed in cold blood inspired by religious zealots. And you want to spread the blame to soften the blow. Mormons need to own their history why won't you?

[MG 2.0]

Through the fog of history some of what we have, granted, is rumor that may or may not be the full truth although it may be partial truth. This is one of those instances. Many members of the Fancher party were from Arkansas, a state where Mormons had faced violent persecution in the past. This fact, whether true or not, fueled existing fears and a sense of animosity. Some rumors even claimed that the party included individuals who had been involved in the murder of Mormon apostle Parley P. Pratt.

Tensions were already high because of the Utah War and Brigham Young’s declaration of martial law. There were a number of factors that created a situation which was primed for conflict.

Regards,
MG

I am very aware of the history. I am aware of the false claim the Fanchers were poisoning water sources, claiming they had the gun who killed the Smith's. Claiming the Indians were to blame. Arkansas was one of many states that didn't get a long with a group of people who didn't tolerate them. Very similar to the documentary Wild Wild Country.

When a controversial guru builds a utopian city in the Oregon desert, it causes a massive conflict with local ranchers. This docuseries chronicles the conflict, which leads to the first bioterror attack in the United States and a massive case of illegal wiretapping. It is a pivotal, but largely forgotten, time in American cultural history that tested the country's tolerance for the separation of church and state.

Sound familiar? The Fanchers were killed in cold blood inspired by religious zealots. And you want to spread the blame to soften the blow. Mormons need to own their history why won't you?

I haven’t excused the actions of the Mormons that let the tensions present at the time overcome their humanity.

Regards,
MG

[Rivendale]

I am very aware of the history. I am aware of the false claim the Fanchers were poisoning water sources, claiming they had the gun who killed the Smith's. Claiming the Indians were to blame. Arkansas was one of many states that didn't get a long with a group of people who didn't tolerate them. Very similar to the documentary Wild Wild Country.



Sound familiar? The Fanchers were killed in cold blood inspired by religious zealots. And you want to spread the blame to soften the blow. Mormons need to own their history why won't you?

I haven’t excused the actions of the Mormons that let the tensions present at the time overcome their humanity.

Regards,
MG

Yes you did you said they should accept some of the blame. Edit...you said they weren't blameless...which is the same.

[malkie]

I am very aware of the history. I am aware of the false claim the Fanchers were poisoning water sources, claiming they had the gun who killed the Smith's. Claiming the Indians were to blame. Arkansas was one of many states that didn't get a long with a group of people who didn't tolerate them. Very similar to the documentary Wild Wild Country.



Sound familiar? The Fanchers were killed in cold blood inspired by religious zealots. And you want to spread the blame to soften the blow. Mormons need to own their history why won't you?

I haven’t excused the actions of the Mormons that let the tensions present at the time overcome their humanity.

Regards,
MG

You wrote: "Through the fog of history some of what we have, granted, is rumor that may or may not be the full truth although it may be partial truth. This is one of those instances. Many members of the Fancher party were from Arkansas, a state where Mormons had faced violent persecution in the past. This fact, whether true or not, fueled existing fears and a sense of animosity. Some rumors even claimed that the party included individuals who had been involved in the murder of Mormon apostle Parley P. Pratt."

You're not suggesting, are you, that many members of the Fancher party being from Arkansas, a state where Mormons had faced violent persecution in the past, was some kind of justification for the murder of almost the entire party, right?

Or that rumors that the party included individuals who had been involved in the murder of Mormon apostle Parley P. Pratt justified murdering anyone, never mind any person, man, woman, or child, who had not been involved in the PPP murder?

Hypothetical: do you suppose that those who carried out the attack thought to pray about it first?

[Marcus]

I haven’t excused the actions of the Mormons that let the tensions present at the time overcome their humanity.

Regards,
MG

You wrote: "Through the fog of history some of what we have, granted, is rumor that may or may not be the full truth although it may be partial truth. This is one of those instances. Many members of the Fancher party were from Arkansas, a state where Mormons had faced violent persecution in the past. This fact, whether true or not, fueled existing fears and a sense of animosity. Some rumors even claimed that the party included individuals who had been involved in the murder of Mormon apostle Parley P. Pratt."

You're not suggesting, are you, that many members of the Fancher party being from Arkansas, a state where Mormons had faced violent persecution in the past, was some kind of justification for the murder of almost the entire party, right?

Or that rumors that the party included individuals who had been involved in the murder of Mormon apostle Parley P. Pratt justified murdering anyone, never mind any person, man, woman, or child, who had not been involved in the PPP murder?

Hypothetical: do you suppose that those who carried out the attack thought to pray about it first?

The irony is that MG almost certainly didn't write those words--they are AI-generated. He is still responsible for them however, because his prompt was most likely something like 'how can someone else be blamed for Mormon actions...' He abuses AI by prompting it to hallucinate, as your follow up questions clearly indicate.

[Limnor]

Does framing the situation as “tension” serve to soften the obvious: “retribution?”

[MG 2.0]

I haven’t excused the actions of the Mormons that let the tensions present at the time overcome their humanity.

Regards,
MG

You wrote: "Through the fog of history some of what we have, granted, is rumor that may or may not be the full truth although it may be partial truth. This is one of those instances. Many members of the Fancher party were from Arkansas, a state where Mormons had faced violent persecution in the past. This fact, whether true or not, fueled existing fears and a sense of animosity. Some rumors even claimed that the party included individuals who had been involved in the murder of Mormon apostle Parley P. Pratt."

You're not suggesting, are you, that many members of the Fancher party being from Arkansas, a state where Mormons had faced violent persecution in the past, was some kind of justification for the murder of almost the entire party, right?

Or that rumors that the party included individuals who had been involved in the murder of Mormon apostle Parley P. Pratt justified murdering anyone, never mind any person, man, woman, or child, who had not been involved in the PPP murder?

Hypothetical: do you suppose that those who carried out the attack thought to pray about it first?

I don't think you folks are actually reading what I'm posting. You are using me as a scapegoat and a punching bag for mistakes made in the past by others. Again, I'm NOT excusing any wrongdoing that occured as a result of the MMM.

I think you might want to find another person to push around. Oh, I'm the only one here to smack on the side of the head. I almost forgot.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

The irony is that MG almost certainly didn't write those words--they are AI-generated. He is still responsible for them however, because his prompt was most likely something like 'how can someone else be blamed for Mormon actions...' He abuses AI by prompting it to hallucinate, as your follow up questions clearly indicate.

Here we go again. Twisting my words into pretzel logic.

Regards,
MG