Split: Full Reichstag Fire - The Derail

[Hound of Heaven]

Tell me more about the highlighted point. "[ S ]omething that doesn't even exist," is a popular explanation for Antifa. I want to understand how you come to that conclusion. I disagree with it, but I want to understand it.

I was wrong. It does exist. I think I meant it doesn't exist as an organization, but that's the least part of my point so you can have it. Wiki calls it a decentralized movement. Hopefully you appreciate the meat of the post that associates an organization or movement with a word that is tied to an array of serious legal documents as highly Reichstag Fire like, without extremely good reason for doing so. And the more vague the organization, the more broadly the legal consequences of terrorism apply.

Here's another Reichstag Fire. Several of these news items are coming out about our Nazi police force who only fascists voted for, detaining legal immigrants at the airport and attempting deportation on the grounds that they are inadmissible. Whoah. wtf? Makes no sense. Granted, I haven't done a deep dive here, but I believe they are losing these cases. Let's say a person is legally immigrating here and commits aggravated assault in Utah. That's grounds for deportation. Obama did roundups all the time just like our wonderful Nazi police are today, removing people in this situation. Okay, so what, why not remove them as they come through the airport also? Sure, okay. It's just the charge is in the wrong category. You can simply try to remove them because they committed the crime here. Inadmissibility is a category for people who have never been here but are otherwise candidates for coming here. A person who committed assault in London is inadmissible. A Canadian with AIDS is inadmissible. It even weakens their case, why not make the right argument and increase their chances of winning?

Because if they can win some of these and establish a precedent, it opens Pandoras box. If a person with AIDS is inadmissible to the USA simpliciter, then why not send the Nazi soldiers to Utah hospitals to round up immigrants who contracted AIDS here, or why does it matter if they are even immigrants? If having AIDS makes a person inadmissible to the US, then a natural born citizen with AIDS should have never been here in the first place.

Another Reichstag Fire. Right now there are numbers you can call to report illegals. How many have you reported, Whiskey? If the answer is none, don't you think that lessens you as a good citizen? Well, I'll bet coming up, that legal immigrants will be required to report their illegal cousins or anybody they have knowledge of and attest to that as a condition of their own documentation. And that will eventually bleed into construction workers who are citizens being required to report violations by their own company.

Remember at BYU how you could anonymously report your fellow students for breaking the honor code? You could write the report and drop it in a box on campus? Were you the guy who did that all the time? Or were you the guy who defended the good names of those who did that all the time?

This thread highlights how certain Marxist progressives, such as Gadianton Scam-ton, Captain Progressive (also known as Res Ipsa), and Can'tPakes, seem to overlook a critical point. When they label our police in America as Nazis, they inadvertently extend that label to all the minorities who supported Trump as well.

Lets present some facts to ground this discussion in reality, rather than allowing it to drift into a fantasy where men can simply remove their penis and transform into female supermodels. In 2024, in comparison to 2020, 46% of the overall youth vote supported Trump, marking an increase of 11%. In 2024, young men cast their votes at a rate of 56%, an increase from 41% in 2020. In 2024, young women cast 38% of their votes for Trump, marking a 10% increase from 2020. In the 2024 election, 15% of Black youth are expected to vote for Trump, marking a 5% increase from 2020. In the 2024 election, Asian youth cast 30% of their votes for Trump, marking a 6% increase from the 2020 election. In the overall voting landscape, 24% of Black men cast their votes for Trump, reflecting a 9% increase from the 2020 election. In the 2024 election, 54% of Hispanic men cast their votes for Trump, reflecting a 14% increase from 2020. Trump secured victories in all the swing states and made significant gains in California, New York, and New Jersey. He has the Senate, the House, and the Supreme Court, and he undoubtedly has the backing of the American people, as evidenced by the listed proof demonstrating their support, including his victory in the popular vote in 2024.

When Gadianton SCAM-Ton, Captain Progressive, and Can'tpakes label Trump supporters and the courageous law enforcement officers who protect us as Nazis, they are essentially branding all demographic groups as Nazis. This is happening because there is a noticeable shift towards MAGA among various demographic groups in America, moving away from the Marxist progressive ideology that Kamala Harris tried to persuade us was superior for our country.

Now, let's delve into the true motivations behind the disdain that individuals like Gadianton SCAM-Ton, Captain Progressive, and Can'tpakes have for America. Primarily, these three Marxist progressives express a strong disdain for western society and, in particular, white individuals. They hold the belief that their own white skin is fundamentally racist, leading them to conclude that white culture must be eliminated for the improvement of society. Marxist progressivism, the ideology embraced by these three, is founded on a deep-seated animosity towards western culture.

during his campaign for the 2024 election, Trump was transparent about his intentions should he be elected president. He focused on securing the border, combating extremist ideologies, returning undocumented individuals, designating antifa as a terrorist organization, and addressing numerous other issues that the leftist group opposes. By being honest with the American people, he garnered support across all demographics in the 2024 election, not limited to just white individuals. Individuals from diverse backgrounds recognize that the Marxist progressives aim to dismantle western society, leading many to align with the Republican party as they perceive the Democrat party has been overtaken by Marxist ideologies.

All people regardless of skin color rejected Marxists who think that amputating body parts is a solution for a mental health issue. Marxists who advocate for drag queens to have the opportunity to educate our youth while expressing themselves in provocative attire. Marxists who seek to eliminate Christian values from America in order to establish Marxism as the prevailing ideology in the country.

The actions of the Marxists present on this board and in America seem to stem from an ideology that expresses disdain for Western society and white individuals. Marxists like the three individuals I mentioned in this post are evangelist of misery. They promote hopelessness and disseminate resentment as if it were sacred doctrine.

[Hound of Heaven]

True. I don't think his basic purpose is mysterious, but he does not speak and write in ways that make much sense.



Oh, well, I don't trust the Democrats when it comes to the claim that these things don't exist. I have noted many instances in which the first position they have taken is to act like something doesn't exist.

"What attack on Bernie Sanders?"

"What government collusion with the banks to root out Occupy Wall Street?"

"Occupy Wall Street has no objectives! They don't know what they want!"

It is one bizarre denial after another, to the point where I immediately question the idea that there is absolutely nothing underpinning the belief in the existence of Antifa, radical trans extremists, or some such.

I don't trust MAGA not to blow whatever it is they are talking about completely out of proportion and use labels in devious, divisive ways, but the Democrats have almost two decades of denying the existence of things that are pretty obviously in existence.

I think Antifa is a label best understood as a segment of a broader opposition to fascism. If you ask me "are you an anti-fascist," I'm going to answer "you bet I am." But there are folks that I suspect I would call violent anarchists (again, a small percentage of self-identified anarchists). We have had a cluster of these folks, centered around Eugene, OR, that would infiltrate peaceful protests and damage property: break store windows, burn police cars, etc. I first observed this during the WTO protests. It occurred during the BLM protests in 2020 as well.

It's a highly decentralized group of people. In the Pacific Northwest, they regularly rumbled with a group of Proud Boys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys centered around Vancouver, Washington. Basically, if you wear black bloc clothing and employ physical violence against certain right-wing groups, you can be fairly described as Antifa. For quite a while, the right-wing group in Vancouver would travel to Portland to confront any protest by folks on the left, and folks who self-affiliated with Antifa would physically engage them. However, some of the Antifa folks do view local police as a fascist organization and so they will confront and use violence on the police. The reverse happened as well.

I volunteer as a de-escalator for protest marches and demonstrations. There is some concern that the Proud Boys will show up to pick a fight, but I haven't seen any show up recently. I also haven't seen any Antifa presence. Both sides were like street gangs that got off on rumbling with each other. I saw no evidence of Antifa at the couple of big rallies held in Seattle, including the Hands Off and No Kings protests. If the Trump regime follows through and cracks down on protests and rallies, I expect they will show up more.

I don't consider them on my side. My side is the kind of mass, peaceful protests we've seen throughout the summer by millions of people.

When people say "there is no such thing as Antifa," I think that they are referring to fact that there is no organization called Antifa. There is no leader, no spokesperson, no office, no structure. I think it's a useful label to describe a relatively small group of extremists.

As for violent radical trans organizations, there are extremists among almost any demographic you choose. The claim on the right that identifying as transgender is a violent ideology is pure conspiracy theory that is tantamount to blood libel. It's another step in the deliberate dehumanization of trans men and women that will serve as a pretext for stripping them of their rights.

As we engage with this thread, it's important to remember that Captain Progressive, GadiSCAMton, and Can'tpakes all identify as Marxist progressives who view colonialism as one of the most detrimental global systems in history.

In reality, it signified the onset of the decline of the slave trade. In 1794, the French abolished slavery during the French Revolution. In 1807, the British Empire enacted the Slave Trade Act, which prohibited the transatlantic slave trade. In 1833, the Slavery Abolition Act was enacted. From that point forward, nearly all predominantly white countries adopted similar measures. In the year 2025, countries that continue to practice slavery include non-majority white nations such as India, China, North Korea, Pakistan, the Congo, Nigeria, Sudan, Somalia, and Yemen. Captain Progressive, GadiSCAMton, and Can'tpakes will remain silent about those countries, as it does not align with their narrative that all white people are bad or that western society should be eliminated.

Marxist ideology often critiques white majority nations for historical wrongs, while overlooking current atrocities occurring in non-white majority countries. They exploit feelings of guilt among Western youth while choosing to remain silent about child slavery in Africa and forced labor in China. They advocate for "decolonization" while enjoying the freedoms and protections provided by the West that prohibit slavery.

One might contend that the ultimate aim of Marxist progressivism, which has permeated the Democratic Party, is to reintroduce a form of slavery into Western society. The only barrier preventing this from occurring is the positive impact that Western society has had globally.

[Gadianton]

When Gadianton SCAM-Ton, Captain Progressive, and Can'tpakes label Trump supporters and the courageous law enforcement officers who protect us as Nazis, they are essentially branding all demographic groups as Nazis

What's wrong with being a Nazi? I even called them wonderful. By casting the most iconic law-affirming fascist patriots in history in a negative light as you are here, you are on shaky legal ground, as you may be expressing anti-fascist sentiment, which has been decreed as terrorism by our wonderful fascist leaders in a recent executive order. As Whiskey has explained, it's not easy to determine the boundaries of an organization. There are no membership rolls in many cases, and what if one self-identifies as ANTIFA? ANTIFA stands for anti-fascism. If you're saying it's wrong to be a fascist, which you are doing by castigating Nazis as bad people in order to suggest that's why I made the association, something that can't be farther from the truth; and if ANTIFA has no hard boundaries, then you are self-identifying as ANTIFA just as Whiskey says, and thus admitting to being a terrorist. As I explained, being a terrorist (and certain other conditions also) makes a person inadmissible to the United States, and if our wonderful fascist leaders are able to get certain prosecutions to stick that they are attempting for in droves at the moment, then an argument can be made that people even with legal status, and even citizens themselves, are inadmissible to the United States. There are many laws that could be tapped to prosecute terrorists. However, a uniquely effective one will ultimately be the inadmissibility laws. As a US citizen rendering yourself inadmissible to the United States, rather than jail you, it simply must be recognized that you are technically not permitted to be here, and you should be removed. Because you have no citizenship anywhere else and there will be no time for you to apply for asylum, they will send you to whoever will take you for slave labor.

Now I realize you don't know this because like Ceeboo you don't know anything about the law and don't follow what's going on, but you do believe in the law. As Ceeboo has proudly said, he follows the law. As you rightly pointed out, young Latino men voted in this administration in droves and they agreed with it, as securing the border was made perfectly clear. They are perfectly fine with being disappeared by our wonderful fascist police force into detention centers and from there sent to wherever. If the law has been broken, one has no rights, as Ceeboo believes. In 2003 when I affirmed I was not a terrorist before boarding a plane, it must be noted that had I admitted to being one, whether or not I actually was one, I would have not been permitted to board the plane. If you continue to speak badly about Hitler and Nazis, you self-identify as ANTIFA as Whiskey insists, and thus it would be just as if I marked that box before I got on the plane in 2003 admitting to being a terrorist. After certain prosecutions now ongoing are victorious, you will be removable on the grounds of inadmissibility even as a citizen -- it will be just like in 2003 except it's as if by making your statements, you checked the box while already within the United States, and in a few months from now, things might be able to be done about that, which the courts are working on.

I realize you don't think anything you could ever do will get you in trouble with the state just as the Latino voters thought about themselves. The brunt of wonderful policing and law decreeing by this administration has materially hurt those who voted for him more than those who haven't, and so there is no reason to believe I'm at more risk than you or Ceeboo. I say materially in the trivial sense of bankrupting farms and detentions go against the person materially, not psychologically. I realize many of these people are happy to sacrifice for their leader, and so psychologically, they are okay with it.

[canpakes]

As we engage with this thread, it's important to remember that Captain Progressive, GadiSCAMton, and Can'tpakes all identify as Marxist progressives who view colonialism as one of the most detrimental global systems in history.

A comprehensive review of posts by yourself and all of the folks you’ve named indicates that they believe what you claim as often as you’ve posted your support for child sex trafficking.
; )

[canpakes]

What's wrong with being a Nazi? I even called them wonderful. By casting the most iconic law-affirming fascist patriots in history in a negative light as you are here, you are on shaky legal ground, as you may be expressing anti-fascist sentiment, which has been decreed as terrorism by our wonderful fascist leaders in a recent executive order. As Whiskey has explained, it's not easy to determine the boundaries of an organization. There are no membership rolls in many cases, and what if one self-identifies as ANTIFA? ANTIFA stands for anti-fascism. If you're saying it's wrong to be a fascist, which you are doing by castigating Nazis as bad people in order to suggest that's why I made the association, something that can't be farther from the truth; and if ANTIFA has no hard boundaries, then you are self-identifying as ANTIFA just as Whiskey says, and thus admitting to being a terrorist. As I explained, being a terrorist (and certain other conditions also) makes a person inadmissible to the United States, and if our wonderful fascist leaders are able to get certain prosecutions to stick that they are attempting for in droves at the moment, then an argument can be made that people even with legal status, and even citizens themselves, are inadmissible to the United States. There are many laws that could be tapped to prosecute terrorists. However, a uniquely effective one will ultimately be the inadmissibility laws. As a US citizen rendering yourself inadmissible to the United States, rather than jail you, it simply must be recognized that you are technically not permitted to be here, and you should be removed. Because you have no citizenship anywhere else and there will be no time for you to apply for asylum, they will send you to whoever will take you for slave labor.

Now I realize you don't know this because like Ceeboo you don't know anything about the law and don't follow what's going on, but you do believe in the law. As Ceeboo has proudly said, he follows the law. As you rightly pointed out, young Latino men voted in this administration in droves and they agreed with it, as securing the border was made perfectly clear. They are perfectly fine with being disappeared by our wonderful fascist police force into detention centers and from there sent to wherever. If the law has been broken, one has no rights, as Ceeboo believes. In 2003 when I affirmed I was not a terrorist before boarding a plane, it must be noted that had I admitted to being one, whether or not I actually was one, I would have not been permitted to board the plane. If you continue to speak badly about Hitler and Nazis, you self-identify as ANTIFA as Whiskey insists, and thus it would be just as if I marked that box before I got on the plane in 2003 admitting to being a terrorist. After certain prosecutions now ongoing are victorious, you will be removable on the grounds of inadmissibility even as a citizen -- it will be just like in 2003 except it's as if by making your statements, you checked the box while already within the United States, and in a few months from now, things might be able to be done about that, which the courts are working on.

I realize you don't think anything you could ever do will get you in trouble with the state just as the Latino voters thought about themselves. The brunt of wonderful policing and law decreeing by this administration has materially hurt those who voted for him more than those who haven't, and so there is no reason to believe I'm at more risk than you or Ceeboo. I say materially in the trivial sense of bankrupting farms and detentions go against the person materially, not psychologically. I realize many of these people are happy to sacrifice for their leader, and so psychologically, they are okay with it.

These guys are snowflakes, Gad. They see scary Marxism and terrifying immigrants behind every tree and then can’t even explain what’s wrong with being a fascist.

“Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology defined by a dictatorial leader, strict social and economic control, suppression of opposition, and an intense focus on national or racial unity.”

Why are they offended by that? They don’t even know.

[Whiskey]

Now I realize you don't know this because like Ceeboo you don't know anything about the law and don't follow what's going on,

Did you say something after that?

[canpakes]

Now I realize you don't know this because like Ceeboo you don't know anything about the law and don't follow what's going on,

Did you say something after that?

It’s cute how you always answer for ‘Hound’.

[Whiskey]

As we engage with this thread, it's important to remember that Captain Progressive, GadiSCAMton, and Can'tpakes all identify as Marxist progressives who view colonialism as one of the most detrimental global systems in history.

A comprehensive review of posts by yourself and all of the folks you’ve named indicates that they believe what you claim as often as you’ve posted your support for child sex trafficking.
; )

Own GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAALLLLLL!

[canpakes]

A comprehensive review of posts by yourself and all of the folks you’ve named indicates that they believe what you claim as often as you’ve posted your support for child sex trafficking.
; )

Own GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAALLLLLL!

Are you on that list, too? : D

[Whiskey]

Own GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAALLLLLL!

Are you on that list, too? : D

AI says this is your usual playbook. No substance. No argument. Nothing original to add. You toss bait into the thread hoping someone reacts so you can wear the moderator hat and pretend it is authority. Everyone sees it. You do not debate. You do not build ideas. You recycle the same tired triggers and call it contribution. It is not clever. It is not subtle. It is the only move you have. That is an own goal.

Now you derail the thread by accusing not one but two posters of crimes. What is the intent? What outcome are you fishing for? Do you hope for vulgarity so you can step in? Do you hope for silence so you can pretend you scored a point? Do you need someone else to give you the exit line you cannot write yourself?

I dare you to drag the ball out of your own goal and explain what intention you had and what outcome you expected when you suggested that a poster supported a crime?