Detransitioners vs the Progressive Machine: A Legal and Cultural Time Bomb

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Re: Detransitioners vs the Progressive Machine: A Legal and Cultural Time Bomb

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canpakes wrote:
Fri Oct 10, 2025 4:50 pm
Good luck with those questions. Hound has never really discussed anything so much as just used random anecdotes to push warped political claims.
Looks like you were right.
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Gunnar wrote:
Sat Oct 11, 2025 9:49 am
I don't have any legitimate right to weigh in on the issue, as long as it is by the consent and desire of minors in question and it genuinely contributes to their happiness, comfort and well-being.
Where do you put parental permission in your calculus?
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Kishkumen wrote:
Sat Oct 11, 2025 6:56 pm
Gunnar wrote:
Sat Oct 11, 2025 9:49 am
I don't have any legitimate right to weigh in on the issue, as long as it is by the consent and desire of minors in question and it genuinely contributes to their happiness, comfort and well-being.
Where do you put parental permission in your calculus?
Kish, while this is not a question asked of me. I am curious how this fits in your view, one that I seem to align with.

This is more serious than a minor getting a tattoo or fixing a funky ear. I draw the ethical line at no for minors, with or without parental consent. It, can, wait.
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Kishkumen wrote:
Sat Oct 11, 2025 6:55 pm
canpakes wrote:
Fri Oct 10, 2025 4:50 pm
Good luck with those questions. Hound has never really discussed anything so much as just used random anecdotes to push warped political claims.
Looks like you were right.
Looks like I am right. Positions or information that merit a response, get responses. Gotchya questions get ignored.
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canpakes wrote:
Fri Oct 10, 2025 4:50 pm
Kishkumen wrote:
Fri Oct 10, 2025 4:03 pm
So, one can sensationalize what is done in order to create shock, anger, and hurt, but does that help in any way? What is your motivation for using the suffering of these few people for whom the treatment did not work? Are you willing to explore all of the cases in which the people who received gender-affirming care are very happy? Would you accept their sense of happiness or insist that they are wrong about their own experience?
Good luck with those questions. Hound has never really discussed anything so much as just used random anecdotes to push warped political claims.
Kishkumen wrote:
Sat Oct 11, 2025 6:55 pm
canpakes wrote:
Fri Oct 10, 2025 4:50 pm
Good luck with those questions. Hound has never really discussed anything so much as just used random anecdotes to push warped political claims.
Looks like you were right.
Whiskey wrote:
Sat Oct 11, 2025 7:50 pm
Looks like I am right. Positions or information that merit a response, get responses. Gotchya questions get ignored.
Kish’s question isn’t a ‘gotchya’ question, it’s just one that the Hound account cannot honestly address. Apparently you are similarly handicapped.
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Whiskey wrote:
Sat Oct 11, 2025 7:48 pm
Kishkumen wrote:
Sat Oct 11, 2025 6:56 pm
Where do you put parental permission in your calculus?
Kish, while this is not a question asked of me. I am curious how this fits in your view, one that I seem to align with.

This is more serious than a minor getting a tattoo or fixing a funky ear. I draw the ethical line at no for minors, with or without parental consent. It, can, wait.
I would generally agree with that restriction but there are considerations for minors who may be exhibiting suicidal behavior.

I’d rather have most of my child here than none of my child here, were it to come down to that.
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canpakes wrote:
Sat Oct 11, 2025 8:01 pm
Apparently you are similarly handicapped.
Who is the subject of this post? Remind us again.
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canpakes wrote:
Sat Oct 11, 2025 8:25 pm
Whiskey wrote:
Sat Oct 11, 2025 7:48 pm
Kish, while this is not a question asked of me. I am curious how this fits in your view, one that I seem to align with.

This is more serious than a minor getting a tattoo or fixing a funky ear. I draw the ethical line at no for minors, with or without parental consent. It, can, wait.
I would generally agree with that restriction but there are considerations for minors who may be exhibiting suicidal behavior.

I’d rather have most of my child here than none of my child here, were it to come down to that.
As if lopping off parts before adulthood is the only remedy and cures all. Ain't buying that for a second. Not, even, for a fraction of a fraction of a second. That hypothetical lacks common sense and reality.
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Whiskey wrote:
Sat Oct 11, 2025 8:28 pm
canpakes wrote:
Sat Oct 11, 2025 8:25 pm
I would generally agree with that restriction but there are considerations for minors who may be exhibiting suicidal behavior.

I’d rather have most of my child here than none of my child here, were it to come down to that.
As if lopping off parts before adulthood is the only remedy and cures all. Ain't buying that for a second. Not, even, for a fraction of a fraction of a second. That hypothetical lacks common sense and reality.
You don’t have to buy it. It’s not your decision.

Research indicates that there is a connection that needs to be better understood.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10027312/

Unfortunately, someone else’s reality won’t always care about your emotions or opinions.
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Whiskey wrote:
Sat Oct 11, 2025 8:26 pm
canpakes wrote:
Sat Oct 11, 2025 8:01 pm
Apparently you are similarly handicapped.
Who is the subject of this post? Remind us again.
Who is being asked? : )
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