Converts to Limnor's Book of Mormon Origins?

[Gadianton]

You seem to be saying that mistaking something ordinary (a bubble) for something extraordinary (a baby) is what is going on here as I point out that Mormonism is actually different than the other religions...in/as being True. It is true that the LDS Church is just one among many other systems of belief and worship.

It would be more accurate to say that the LDS Church is just one among many other systems of belief and worship that claim to be different than all the other beliefs and systems, as their beliefs are the real extraordinary beliefs that are really True.

[Marcus]

...The question at the end of the day and what I've been proposing is that the CofJCofLDS is not "ordinary" but "extraordinary". I can't prove that to you just as I can't prove any one of the four models of the origins of the universe as being extraordinary over the others.

It isn't a perfect apple to apples comparison, I know. And it's different strokes for different folks.

But I think it supports the point I'm trying to make...

"the feels that I feel are the RIGHT feels to feel.
the feels that anyone else on the planet feels or don't feel are the WRONG feels to feel/not feel.
They are wrong because they do not match my RIGHT feels.

Analogies that use reasoning, intelligence, rational thought processes, science and research are analogous to my feels because I say they are. (Not because they are, because they are not.)

I know that I know that I am RIGHT, but much more importantly, I know what you think you know, and I know you are WRONG. How do I know this? Because what I know is analogous to any real thing any one knows. (Only because I say so, because it's not.)

Therefore, ipso facto, abracadabra, Q-E-Doodle-y-Do, I. AM. RIGHT.

(Again, more importantly, I KNOW YOU ARE WRONG, and I righteously despise you."

One day, the gymnasts of mentality may learn something real. Or not.

[I Have Questions]

You seem to be saying that mistaking something ordinary (a bubble) for something extraordinary (a baby) is what is going on here as I point out that Mormonism is actually different than the other religions...in/as being True.

No. You asserting that Mormonism is different than other religions because Mormonism is “True”, does not make Mormonism extraordinary nor “True”.

It is true that the LDS Church is just one among many other systems of belief and worship.

Yes. That is “true”.

As there are also a number of ways/theories of looking at the origins of the universe. The question at the end of the day and what I've been proposing is that the CofJCofLDS is not "ordinary" but "extraordinary".

I can’t see “the question”, only your repeated assertion that the SLC LDS Church is somehow “extraordinary”, whatever that means to you.

I can't prove that to you

So stop asserting it as a fact. It’s just an uncover belief on your part.

Many people after doing their homework in study/prayer/reasoning defer to the LDS church as being extraordinary among all other systems of belief and worship.

No. You are misrepresenting the data. It is “true” that some people join the SLC LDS Church (you have no insight in to how or why that happened). But the overwhelming majority of people that come across Mormonism choose not to join. And an overwhelming majority of people who do choose religion, choose a different one to the SLC LDS Church. Only a microscopic amount of people who were not born and raised within it, choose Mormonism.

Not to discount the value that those other systems of belief and worship might not be of value as are various theories of universe origins.

Nice attempt at damning with faint praise. However, you have already stated you have no way of showing the Mormonism can tangibly offer anything more than all the other religions currently available to people. You remain in the same loop you were as a child, being ushered up on to the stand to say “I know the Church is true” over and over again until it’s been ingrained within you. Your posts on here are just a more long-winded version of that child on the stand.

[Dr. Shades]

If you had to choose between just two narratives, his and Joseph Smith's...which one would you choose and why?

Regards,
MG

I'd choose Limnor's because an angel whose name switches randomly between "Nephi" and "Moroni" bringing golden plates that magically disappear so they can never be scrutinized by experts seems just a little more, . . . implausible.

[Shulem]

If you had to choose between just two narratives, his and Joseph Smith's...which one would you choose and why?

I'd choose Limnor's because an angel whose name switches randomly between "Nephi" and "Moroni" bringing golden plates that magically disappear so they can never be scrutinized by experts seems just a little more, . . . implausible.

The Smith family never obtained buried treasure, nor did it ever materialize after having practiced sorcery and witchcraft through the divine guidance of Jehovah's angel, Jubanladace. Buried treasure was nothing more than an illusion and a false promise just as the gold plates were and nobody outside of Joseph's con ever saw the plates.

[Shulem]

If you had to choose between just two narratives, his and Joseph Smith's...which one would you choose and why?

I don't have to choose.

Make me!

[MG 2.0]

You seem to be saying that mistaking something ordinary (a bubble) for something extraordinary (a baby) is what is going on here as I point out that Mormonism is actually different than the other religions...in/as being True. It is true that the LDS Church is just one among many other systems of belief and worship.

It would be more accurate to say that the LDS Church is just one among many other systems of belief and worship that claim to be different than all the other beliefs and systems, as their beliefs are the real extraordinary beliefs that are really True.

Just as multiple cosmological models that I provided compete with each other to explain the universe, and only one, or possibly none, may ultimately be correct, the wide and varied number of religious truth claims doesn’t imply relativism...it just underscores the difficulty of discernment.

Cosmologists don’t dismiss all models because there are many...they test, refine, and seek coherence. In the same vein many members of the LDS church engage in a process of study, prayer, and life experience which leads us to conclude that the LDS Church is not just another bubble, but something qualitatively different.

The presence of many bubbles as I mentioned earlier doesn’t preclude the possibility of a baby. The real question is: what criteria do we use to tell the difference?

And at the very top of the list of criteria is the question of "Is there a Creator God?" And also that the means necessary to determine this question involves something other than the 'tools' that secular/agnostic/atheist critics are willing to use.

So, we end up at an impasse. Every time.

Regards,
MG

[Gadianton]

Just as multiple cosmological models that I provided compete with each other to explain the universe, and only one, or possibly none, may ultimately be correct, the wide and varied number of religious truth claims doesn’t imply relativism...it just underscores the difficulty of discernment.

I didn't say it implied relativism, I'm just saying you can't one-up other religions by saying things like, "we know ours is true while you only believe yours is." You seem to be arguing for the veracity of the truth claims by insisting on the fervor of the truth claims; putting a capitol "T" on yours as if nobody ever thought of doing that with theirs.

[I Have Questions]

So, we end up at an impasse. Every time.

People refusing to accept the baseless assertions that you keep repeating just because you insist you are right, is not an impasse.

[sock puppet]

So, we end up at an impasse. Every time.

People refusing to accept the baseless assertions that you keep repeating just because you insist you are right, is not an impasse.

His claiming an impasse is just another attempt to falesly equivalate his fact-less beliefs with fact-based knowledge. He's trying to put lipstick (legitimacy) on his pig (his LDS fantasies).