The artificial intelligence MEGATHREAD for the Spirit Paradise forum

[Dr. Shades]

Trump was not only the worst President of the century, so far, but unequivocally the very worst, most corrupt and most pathologically dishonest President our country has ever had. I predict that will become the consensus of nearly all future historians and political scientists shortly after his demise. It is already the majority opinion of historians and political scientists of all political stripes, except the Republican ones, but even the Republican political scientists rank Trump among the worst 5.

But once Trump is out of office and we have a new president, all five of them will rank among the worst 5 of the 21st Century (and the best, too, for that matter).

[Gunnar]

Trump was not only the worst President of the century, so far, but unequivocally the very worst, most corrupt and most pathologically dishonest President our country has ever had. I predict that will become the consensus of nearly all future historians and political scientists shortly after his demise. It is already the majority opinion of historians and political scientists of all political stripes, except the Republican ones, but even the Republican political scientists rank Trump among the worst 5.

But once Trump is out of office and we have a new president, all five of them will rank among the worst 5 of the 21st Century (and the best, too, for that matter).

I meant that Trump is ranked among the worst 5 Presidents we ever had, not just the worst 5 of this century, even by the majority of Republican political scientists. I apologize for not making that clear enough.

As for this current century there were not really 5 different presidents unless one insists on counting Trump twice.

[Dr. Shades]

But once Trump is out of office and we have a new president, all five of them will rank among the worst 5 of the 21st Century (and the best, too, for that matter).

As for this current century there were not really 5 different presidents unless one insists on counting Trump twice.

That's why I said "once Trump is out of office and we have a new president."

[Gunnar]

As for this current century there were not really 5 different presidents unless one insists on counting Trump twice.

That's why I said "once Trump is out of office and we have a new president."

Ok. Understood.

[Gunnar]

"Presidential Greatness Project" survey of every current and recent member of the American Political Science Association had Trump ranked the worst. He was at a 10.The92. The next closest amongst the worst was James Buchanan at 16.71.

Even the self-identified conservatives ranked him overwhelmingly in the bottom 5.

But hey, maybe the conservatives, liberals, and independents who have devoted their lives to studying history and politics just aren't as smart as MAGA. Or maybe, as Trump says, "Smart people don't like me."

I think it is very telling and damaging to Trump that even the self-identified conservative members of the American Political Science Association overwhelmingly ranked Trump in the bottom 5. It is sad that the safeguards the authors of our Constitution tried to build into it to prevent the chaotic corruption we are currently witnessing have failed so miserably.

[ajax18]

I have no different desire to covet another man's earnings, …

Sure you do, to the extent that doing so builds a safe and supportive environment for you to comfortably live in. After all, there’s a reason why you don’t just pack everything up and hike on out into the wilderness to survive off of the land, acting out your own personal season of ‘Alone’.

Before you make me responsible for the entire cost of all the roads in the US on my own, let's take a more realistic look at the net loss or benefit people in different tax brackets receive and recognize the fact that America has one of the most progressive tax rates in the world.

Tax Bracket vs. Government BenefitsTax
Bracket: 0% - 10%
Average Taxes Paid: $1,000
Average Government Benefits Received: $8,000
Net Benefit: +$7,000

Tax Bracket: 10% - 20%
Average Taxes Paid: $5,000
Average Government Benefits Received: $6,000
Net Benefit: +$1,000

Tax Bracket: 20% - 30%
Average Taxes Paid: $15,000
Average Government Benefits Received: $4,000
Net Benefit: -$11,000

Tax Bracket: 30% - 40%
Average Taxes Paid: $30,000
Average Government Benefits Received: $2,000
Net Benefit: -$28,000

Tax Bracket: 40% and above
Average Taxes Paid: $50,000
Average Government Benefits Received: $1,000
Net Benefit: -$49,000

Key Points:Lower Tax Brackets: Often receive more in benefits relative to what they pay in taxes, leading to a net positive benefit.Middle to Higher Tax Brackets: Generally pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits, resulting in a net negative benefit.Notes:Variability: These figures can vary significantly based on individual circumstances, state benefits, and specific programs (e.g., healthcare, food assistance).Data Sources: This information is based on averages and may not reflect every individual’s situation.

[canpakes]

Sure you do, to the extent that doing so builds a safe and supportive environment for you to comfortably live in. After all, there’s a reason why you don’t just pack everything up and hike on out into the wilderness to survive off of the land, acting out your own personal season of ‘Alone’.

Before you make me responsible for the entire cost of all the roads in the US on my own, let's take a more realistic look at the net loss or benefit people in different tax brackets receive and recognize the fact that America has one of the most progressive tax rates in the world.

Link to your source, please. This list is meaningless without that.

Also, if you are going to try to convince anyone that the top half of the income bracket receives only $1000 in ‘government benefits’, then you’re a bit up in the night, and not honestly calculating benefits based on government expenditures.

That said, you indeed do - as pointed out earlier - “covet another man's earnings”, for the exact reason I’ve already stated.

[ajax18]

Before you make me responsible for the entire cost of all the roads in the US on my own, let's take a more realistic look at the net loss or benefit people in different tax brackets receive and recognize the fact that America has one of the most progressive tax rates in the world.

Link to your source, please. This list is meaningless without that.

Also, if you are going to try to convince anyone that the top half of the income bracket receives only $1000 in ‘government benefits’, then you’re a bit up in the night, and not honestly calculating benefits based on government expenditures.

That said, you indeed do - as pointed out earlier - “covet another man's earnings”, for the exact reason I’ve already stated.

ChatonAI is my source and AI usually leans left. This information is based on averages and may not reflect every individual’s situation.

[ajax18]

Before you make me responsible for the entire cost of all the roads in the US on my own, let's take a more realistic look at the net loss or benefit people in different tax brackets receive and recognize the fact that America has one of the most progressive tax rates in the world.

Link to your source, please. This list is meaningless without that.

Also, if you are going to try to convince anyone that the top half of the income bracket receives only $1000 in ‘government benefits’, then you’re a bit up in the night, and not honestly calculating benefits based on government expenditures.

That said, you indeed do - as pointed out earlier - “covet another man's earnings”, for the exact reason I’ve already stated.

Check out the chart Ben Shapiro puts up at 17:22 in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TFn5pp4YfE.

[canpakes]

Link to your source, please. This list is meaningless without that.

Also, if you are going to try to convince anyone that the top half of the income bracket receives only $1000 in ‘government benefits’, then you’re a bit up in the night, and not honestly calculating benefits based on government expenditures.

That said, you indeed do - as pointed out earlier - “covet another man's earnings”, for the exact reason I’ve already stated.

Check out the chart Ben Shapiro puts up at 17:22 in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TFn5pp4YfE.

To your prior post, I don’t see that AI ‘leans left’, given Grok’s episode from last year where it was inserting Nazi references and phraseology into answers.

Regarding this post: For people paying virtually no tax, Ben says that they receive $68 in services. Woohooo!

At the second-lowest quintile, “for every dollar that you pay in, you get $6.29 back in services”, says Ben.

Folks in the top tier receive 0.04 for each dollar paid in, according to Ben.

So, if I paid $100 in federal taxes last year, I received $629 in ‘federal services’.

if I paid $15,725 in federal taxes last year, I received $629 in ‘federal services’.

I don’t think that the poors are ripping off the rich, here. Not at that level of ‘services’. And you still haven’t provided an actual source (AI isn’t a source) for your earlier figures that don’t jive with Ben’s here, nor have you defined what ‘services’ are. Nor are you considering tax credits (your mortgage interest deduction, likely a credit not being itemized on the returns of poorer folks, right?) nor tax-financed infrastructure, which you’ll likely derive more benefit from than poorer folks do, especially with respect to my earlier comment about how you covet the assets and resources of others so that you can benefit from the safety and comfort that those dollars - in the form of taxes - create.

But you can always prove me wrong and head out to the Arctic Circle in order to live off the land. Let me know when you’re ready to do that.