The Long and Winding Road (To Ruin) or Eight Days a Week (Of Woe): Mormon Apostle Blames the Beatles for Society's Ills

[Rivendale]

One of these days I need to dig out my D&C commentary that was published by the church back in the 1920s, and scan some pages to share. Amongst the timeless prophetic wisdom of the One True Church (TM) is a stern warning against the "dangers of ragtime music."

And Jazz!

"Jazz under no condition can be called sacred." Endnote 8 in Church History and Modern Revelation by Joseph Fielding Smith, Volume 1, Lesson 26, "Office and Calling of Emma Smith" Also, in the same paragraph, it casually drops the en-bomb in a song title, which song (it says) has a "pleasing melody."

The above is quoted in A Companion to Your Study of the Doctrine and Covenants, Volume I Part II, Section 25.

" 'Jazz' is an abomination, an evidence of recrudescence of savagery." Doctrine and Covenants Commentary by McConkie , Section 25

"Your youth have become unresponsive, and although you have introduced innovations into the worship services --- jazz combos, [...] thought to be appealing to youth --- nevertheless, they are drawn away and grow up without faith." Boyd Packer, April 1967 General Conference

[Shulem]

To know that God exists as our Father and that Jesus is the Christ is no small thing.

To know the opposite is no small thing either. The Mormon God concepts are totally off-putting and for me, unbecoming. Having overcome the need for religion and cultish blood sacrifices whether by animals or Man-god, is wonderful.

Oh it is wonderful! It is superior.

But some people, many people, must needs remain in religion because they are like children and need it to get by and explain their own personal universe. Their spiritual growth is stunted while remaining enslaved by the tricks of religious trades. Mormons operate through trickery and deceit. I so testify.

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace
You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world
You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will live as on

[Gadianton]

Gadianton, I do not remember any Mormons I grew up with who were so f Ed up in their fundamentalism to immediately quit liking the Beatles.

People are cafeteria what ever they are at least from what I see and the world is much better for it.

I am going to add what keeps popping for my mind. I think that polygamy involved a suppression of romantic feelings and the substitution of duty. The Beatles were much about all the dimensions of romantic love. There is a clash. I remember however that those Beatles songs were well liked at church dances. Mormonism may have divided feelings on the subject.

It's really simple Huck, Mormons have actual prophets like Isaiah and Paul walking the earth today. Their voices are literally the voice of God himself on this earth. If God were to come down in a cloud of glory and declare that the Beetles are the root of many of societies ills, it would be no different than his servant David B. Height doing it.

The fact that Mormons disregard their prophets and don't really believe that they are prophets is fine with me. If MG really lived his faith he might be dangerous, so I agree that it's good the "true church" nonsense isn't something they take seriously in real life. It's an identity marker for their in-group and that's about it.

I'm just pointing out if MG doesn't believe his own prophets, while it's good, it's very strange that he would so dogmatically insist that they are prophets in this context where his social credit isn't affected.

[Shulem]

Beetles

Who?

[malkie]

Beetles

Who?

There is a story, possibly apocryphal, of the distinguished British biologist, J.B.S. Haldane, who found himself in the company of a group of theologians. On being asked what one could conclude as to the nature of the Creator from a study of his creation, Haldane is said to have answered, “An inordinate fondness for beetles.”

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/06/23/beetles/

[Gadianton]

My mistake, I thought that's what they were named after. What am I supposed to picture in my head now?

[malkie]

Gadianton, I do not remember any Mormons I grew up with who were so f Ed up in their fundamentalism to immediately quit liking the Beatles.

People are cafeteria what ever they are at least from what I see and the world is much better for it.

I am going to add what keeps popping for my mind. I think that polygamy involved a suppression of romantic feelings and the substitution of duty. The Beatles were much about all the dimensions of romantic love. There is a clash. I remember however that those Beatles songs were well liked at church dances. Mormonism may have divided feelings on the subject.

It's really simple Huck, Mormons have actual prophets like Isaiah and Paul walking the earth today. Their voices are literally the voice of God himself on this earth. If God were to come down in a cloud of glory and declare that the Beetles are the root of many of societies ills, it would be no different than his servant David B. Height doing it.

The fact that Mormons disregard their prophets and don't really believe that they are prophets is fine with me. If MG really lived his faith he might be dangerous, so I agree that it's good the "true church" nonsense isn't something they take seriously in real life. It's an identity marker for their in-group and that's about it.

I'm just pointing out if MG doesn't believe his own prophets, while it's good, it's very strange that he would so dogmatically insist that they are prophets in this context where his social credit isn't affected.

Mormons have actual prophets like Isaiah and Paul walking the earth today. The wicked apparently have actual prophets like Isaiah George, Ringo, and Paul walking the earth today - John, unfortunately having been murdered 45 years ago.

[huckelberry]

My mistake, I thought that's what they were named after. What am I supposed to picture in my head now?

I am pretty sure I have somewhere seen Ringo say they have the name because they had a beat. Well the drummer would think that wouldn't he.

[MG 2.0]

Gadianton, I do not remember any Mormons I grew up with who were so f Ed up in their fundamentalism to immediately quit liking the Beatles.

People are cafeteria what ever they are at least from what I see and the world is much better for it.

I am going to add what keeps popping for my mind. I think that polygamy involved a suppression of romantic feelings and the substitution of duty. The Beatles were much about all the dimensions of romantic love. There is a clash. I remember however that those Beatles songs were well liked at church dances. Mormonism may have divided feelings on the subject.

It's really simple Huck, Mormons have actual prophets like Isaiah and Paul walking the earth today. Their voices are literally the voice of God himself on this earth. If God were to come down in a cloud of glory and declare that the Beetles are the root of many of societies ills, it would be no different than his servant David B. Height doing it.

The fact that Mormons disregard their prophets and don't really believe that they are prophets is fine with me. If MG really lived his faith he might be dangerous, so I agree that it's good the "true church" nonsense isn't something they take seriously in real life. It's an identity marker for their in-group and that's about it.

I'm just pointing out if MG doesn't believe his own prophets, while it's good, it's very strange that he would so dogmatically insist that they are prophets in this context where his social credit isn't affected.

As is par for the course you are misappropriating judgement where none should be given. You might be able to guess why. If not, let me know. In the meantime, you might want to reconsider making stuff up that fits an agenda of your own making. You do have an agenda, right?

I'll give you a clue. There is a foundational legal concept upon which our judicial system sits. This also applies here. It falls under the category which we refer to as the Natural Rights of Man.

Guilt by association is not a crime, by the way.

Regards,
MG

[huckelberry]

Gadianton, I do not remember any Mormons I grew up with who were so f Ed up in their fundamentalism to immediately quit liking the Beatles.

People are cafeteria what ever they are at least from what I see and the world is much better for it.

I am going to add what keeps popping for my mind. I think that polygamy involved a suppression of romantic feelings and the substitution of duty. The Beatles were much about all the dimensions of romantic love. There is a clash. I remember however that those Beatles songs were well liked at church dances. Mormonism may have divided feelings on the subject.

It's really simple Huck, Mormons have actual prophets like Isaiah and Paul walking the earth today. Their voices are literally the voice of God himself on this earth. If God were to come down in a cloud of glory and declare that the Beetles are the root of many of societies ills, it would be no different than his servant David B. Height doing it.

The fact that Mormons disregard their prophets and don't really believe that they are prophets is fine with me. If MG really lived his faith he might be dangerous, so I agree that it's good the "true church" nonsense isn't something they take seriously in real life. It's an identity marker for their in-group and that's about it.

I'm just pointing out if MG doesn't believe his own prophets, while it's good, it's very strange that he would so dogmatically insist that they are prophets in this context where his social credit isn't affected.

I hear you as testing this idea of a prophet, sharply. I have never understood prophet this way though some fundamentalists do. It has never made sense to me. Prophets all sound to me like humans doing their best to think. (Even if I think God is pushing that along)

I have some impression Joseph Smith agreed, perhaps my memory is editing but I do not think he pushed fundamentalism as long as followers were not trying to one up his authority.