Operational Dynamics of “Reasoned Faith”

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Re: Operational Dynamics of “Reasoned Faith”

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Hound of Heaven wrote:
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Canpakes. The first off topic post in this thread is from your good friend DrCamnPP. Let's see how you manage this situation.
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Re: Operational Dynamics of “Reasoned Faith”

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Gadianton wrote:
Sun Dec 07, 2025 11:42 pm
Limnor wrote: because reason is only allowed if it points toward the pre-established conclusion, that is, everything Joseph said was true.
That's a good point. You're either trapped into verifying what's assumed or if you try to branch out and learn something new, there is the risk of learning something in conflict with the teachings of the Brethren.
The “reasoned” part of reasoned faith is devoted to establishing what is possible, not what is. What is is presumed. And, with God, all things are possible.
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Re: Operational Dynamics of “Reasoned Faith”

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Res Ipsa wrote:
Mon Dec 08, 2025 6:20 am
Gadianton wrote:
Sun Dec 07, 2025 11:42 pm
That's a good point. You're either trapped into verifying what's assumed or if you try to branch out and learn something new, there is the risk of learning something in conflict with the teachings of the Brethren.
The “reasoned” part of reasoned faith is devoted to establishing what is possible, not what is. What is is presumed. And, with God, all things are possible.
I think you captured the dynamic well. When the conclusion is treated as immutable fact, “reason” is relegated to exploring what is possible within that predetermination, not whether the conclusion is actually true. It is more intellectually sound to approach the texts without assuming the endpoint. Your point about the way “reasoned faith” often works is important, and I’m keeping that in mind as I look at prophetic themes.
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Re: Operational Dynamics of “Reasoned Faith”

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Dr. Shades wrote:
Mon Dec 08, 2025 5:05 am
Hound of Heaven wrote:
Sun Dec 07, 2025 1:35 pm
Canpakes. The first off topic post in this thread is from your good friend DrCamnPP. Let's see how you manage this situation.
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You won’t do crap. I reported his AI post and you just closed out the report and his post remains.

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Re: Operational Dynamics of “Reasoned Faith”

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Mon Dec 08, 2025 1:28 pm
Dr. Shades wrote:
Mon Dec 08, 2025 5:05 am
[MODERATOR NOTE: Hi Hound of Heaven,

If you see an off-topic post that you wish to bring to a moderator's attention, please use the "Report" feature rather than derailing the thread itself. Thank you.]
You won’t do crap. I reported his AI post and you just closed out the report and his post remains.

TO THE BOARD,

DR. SHADES IS CAPRICIOUS AND SIDES WITH ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE SLIDING. DO NOT BE FOOLED BE HIS SUPPOSED “EVEN” DEMEANOR. UNDERNEATH HE’S A ROJLING VOLCANO WITH LAVA AND MAGMA AND ROCKS.

- Doc
(I admit I don't know what "rojling" means, but) that sure escalated quickly. I saw no evidence that it was A.I. because grammatically correct writing and proper spelling are things that humans can do, especially with a spell checker, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt. If you can prove otherwise, be my guest.
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Re: Operational Dynamics of “Reasoned Faith”

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Dr. Shades wrote:
Mon Dec 08, 2025 1:39 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Mon Dec 08, 2025 1:28 pm
You won’t do crap. I reported his AI post and you just closed out the report and his post remains.

TO THE BOARD,

DR. SHADES IS CAPRICIOUS AND SIDES WITH ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE SLIDING. DO NOT BE FOOLED BE HIS SUPPOSED “EVEN” DEMEANOR. UNDERNEATH HE’S A ROJLING VOLCANO WITH LAVA AND MAGMA AND ROCKS.

- Doc
(I admit I don't know what "rojling" means, but) that sure escalated quickly. I saw no evidence that it was A.I. because grammatically correct writing and proper spelling are things that humans can do, especially with a spell checker, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt. If you can prove otherwise, be my guest.
Literally copy and paste it into ChatGPT and ask it if the content is AI. Jesus, Shades.
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Re: Operational Dynamics of “Reasoned Faith”

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Mon Dec 08, 2025 1:28 pm
Dr. Shades wrote:
Mon Dec 08, 2025 5:05 am

[MODERATOR NOTE: Hi Hound of Heaven,

If you see an off-topic post that you wish to bring to a moderator's attention, please use the "Report" feature rather than derailing the thread itself. Thank you.]
You won’t do crap. I reported his AI post and you just closed out the report and his post remains.

TO THE BOARD,

DR. SHADES IS CAPRICIOUS AND SIDES WITH ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE SLIDING. DO NOT BE FOOLED BE HIS SUPPOSED “EVEN” DEMEANOR. UNDERNEATH HE’S A ROJLING VOLCANO WITH LAVA AND MAGMA AND ROCKS.

- Doc
I've turned you in to a shell of the person you were a year ago, as I said this morning. Really you don't write posts longer than a sentence or two, and most of the time you just complain about me or a different conservative on the board.

Personally, I think you should try to participate more with the conservativeshere, and stop viewingthem as idiotsbecauseof their political beliefs. This is a discussion board, so you should write some posts that aren't just about insulting.

As for you thinking I'm AI, Nope! Like i've said many times before, my fingers don't always work, so I type on the keyboard some days and use a STT (speech to text) other days. The STT isn't AI-generated it's just me talking into a microphone and then using the stylus on my tablet to add or change words and punctuation. Sometimes, I'll almost finish writing my post then I'll go back and add something. I know that this can make my post seem random or like AI, but it's not. And I've shown that many board members write in a way that makes their posts look like they were made by AI. I showed this on the AI thread in the Terrestrial. Almost every post by Limnor that I put through an AI App comes back as written with AI. same goes for posts made by Doctor Scratch and others. I don't think Limnor is using AI. But I do believe Doctor Scratch is.
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Re: Operational Dynamics of “Reasoned Faith”

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Mon Dec 08, 2025 1:59 pm
Dr. Shades wrote:
Mon Dec 08, 2025 1:39 pm

(I admit I don't know what "rojling" means, but) that sure escalated quickly. I saw no evidence that it was A.I. because grammatically correct writing and proper spelling are things that humans can do, especially with a spell checker, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt. If you can prove otherwise, be my guest.
Literally copy and paste it into ChatGPT and ask it if the content is AI. Jesus, Shades.
Like I did yesterday with post from Limnor, GadiSCAMton, Wang Chung and this morning with Doctor Scratch? :lol:

AI believes them to be AI.
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Re: Operational Dynamics of “Reasoned Faith”

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Mon Dec 08, 2025 1:59 pm
Literally copy and paste it into ChatGPT and ask it if the content is AI. Jesus, Shades.
So, trust A.I. to accurately determine if something is A.I.?
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Re: Operational Dynamics of “Reasoned Faith”

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Dr. Shades wrote:
Mon Dec 08, 2025 2:03 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Mon Dec 08, 2025 1:59 pm
Literally copy and paste it into ChatGPT and ask it if the content is AI. Jesus, Shades.
So, trust A.I. to accurately determine if something is A.I.?
What would you trust to determine if a post is primarily or entirely generated by AI?
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