If we want to reason to plausible conclusions, we have to be clear about what what we know and what we surmise. In particular, can you quote where the sources say:I Have Questions wrote: ↑Mon Dec 08, 2025 10:48 pmWe “know” from the reporting that Wade Christofferson was caught red-handed grooming and sexually coercing a minor by that minor’s father during a personal phone call. So that’s not an offence in a Church setting. We know that Utah father called another father in Ohio as his first action. We know that the Utah father did not report to the police because the police report that they were informed by “the church”. We know that the Ohio father did report to police 24 hours later after a phone call(s) with Wade Christofferson during which Wade confessed to multiple further offences.Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Mon Dec 08, 2025 6:13 amThe information we have is pretty sketchy. The Trib said it was omitting how the perp knew the victims to protect their identity. My WAG is that the victims are the perp’s grandchildren (or some other family members). That’s why the two fathers were talking to each other.
We also don’t know what the church spokesperson meant when he refers to the church being informed and the church reporting. If the Utah dad is a bishop, do his acts count as acts of the church? Would it if he had any other calling? We also appear to have information from Ohio LEOs about the original reporting there, but I haven’t seen anything from Utah LEOs. We don’t know what they were doing.
It seems possible that the church could have been first notified through the hotline. The text indicates the perp had or was going to confess to his bishop. We just don’t know.
I’m not saying that additional information will make everyone involved look good. Just that it will likely make what we know make a little more sense.
1. The first thing the Utah father did after learning of the abuse was call the Ohio father;
2. The police say that the church made the first report to law enforcement in Utah;
A criminal information contains the facts needed to get a judge to find probable cause that defendant committed a crime. It isn’t intended to be a complete recitation of facts that you and I are interested in. Prosecutors don’t show all their cards in an information, so drawing any inference from the absence of information is highly likely to be wrong.
“According to the reporting” is the point. Have you met reporting? Reporters generally do their best to get facts from people who may have reasons not to be totally candid. They can be easily misled by factual omissions.IHQ wrote:The first external contact, based on the reporting, was to “the Church”, despite this offending taking place outside of, and being discovered outside of, any Church-governed setting whatsoever. And it was “the Church” that informed the police of the offending in the first instance. If there are some facts that undermine that summary, I’ve missed them.
Your constructed timeline ignores the text that the perp sent to Utah father about contacting his bishop. It is perfectly plausible that the “church” first learned of the abuse was through confession. We just don’t know. “The church” is a broad term that could encompass a whole lot of different people. Were I a reporter, I’d be asking about specific individuals every time someone said the church.
I think you are conflating Utah police with Ohio police. We have a date of reporting for Ohio police, but none for reporting to Utah police other than the church rep’s statement. We do not know what the Utah father did with respect to notifying Utah authorities. We just don’t. We also have no evidence that the Utah father learned of the other victim on the 5th.IHQ wrote:In fact the timeline is worse than I thought. This is from the Trib article quoted unthreadThe Utah father discovers the offending on November the 5th. But the police aren’t informed until November the 12th, a week later. The Ohio father goes straight to the police, immediately, but it’s 7 days after the offending was first discovered in Utah. Which suggests, if the timeline of events is accurate, that the Utah father kept it quiet from the Ohio father for a week, as well as keeping it from the police.The federal prosecutors allege Christofferson had been using this secret language to shield his sexually explicit requests of the young girl in letters he had been sending her from Ohio for at least six months. The Utah father discovered the code on Nov. 5, prosecutors say, after he overheard a FaceTime conversation between his daughter and Christofferson and began asking them questions.
Police started investigating a week later after a man in Ohio — who knew about the alleged abuse in Utah — reported that Christofferson had allegedly sexually abused his daughter, too.
This timeline was detailed in a charging document that The Salt Lake Tribune obtained Thursday from the federal prosecutors’ office in southern Ohio.