The artificial intelligence MEGATHREAD

[Physics Guy]

Two recent anecdotes about current AI that have nothing to do with this thread until now, and which both go against my usual pessimism about chatbot abilities.

1)
I was critiquing a paper draft by one of my PhD students and I had to point out that the last page seemed to introduce a new topic, unrelated to the rest of the paper. This isn't good—one should either properly connect that last topic into the rest of the paper or else save it for another paper. It's common for students to overlook things like this, though. They get caught up in their project and think that everything in it is also in the front of everyone else's mind all the time.

In this case my student then told me that ChatGPT had just told him the same thing. He had given a draft of his current paper to ChatGPT and asked it to generate two possible referee reports on the paper, as if from possible peer reviewers. One of these fake reviewers made one of the same comments that I did about the draft, to the effect that the final page seemed to introduce a new topic unrelated to the rest of the paper.

2)
A colleague of mine just reported that a large research team he knows has won a competitive grant application, by using ChatGPT to prepare for their final evaluation by a panel of experts. They knew in advance who the experts all were (this was allowed), so they dumped the list into the chatbot and asked it to guess which questions each expert would be likely to ask them. They carefully prepared answers for all those questions, and since the chatbot's guesses turned out to be quite accurate, they impressed the experts quite well. My colleague's conclusion is that this form of evaluation for grant applications will not be used for much longer.

ChatGPT would not have been able to write my student's paper, nor would it have been able to impress those expert evaluators. It does seem to be able to do some useful things, though.

[Hound of Heaven]

This is the one I reported:

You've made a wonderful effort, and I appreciate your thought process, but the conclusion you've reached is incorrect.

If I'm understanding you correctly, you're suggesting that "reasoned faith" is inadequate both as a form of reasoning due to its avoidance of evidence and as a type of faith because it claims to be rational. In that case, you are merely presenting a false dichotomy, as you are presuming that reason and faith cannot coexist. Do you believe that reason must solely equate to empirical evidence? It can also signify coherence, consistency, and explanatory power.

Why are you dismissing the concept of reasoned faith, portraying it as if it were elusive or insubstantial, when in fact, that couldn't be further from reality. Many defenders offer wellorganized arguments that remain clear and understandable.

And then you introduce a self-contradiction, you claim that reasoned faith is unstable, yet you acknowledge that it is adaptive. Adaptability is not always a lack of clarity, it can also signify strength and resilience. In my conclusion, I would like to summarize this for you. You are right to think that some individuals employ faith rhetorically to avoid difficult questions. However, it is incorrect to view faith and reason as opposites, they can actually complement one another. For thousands of years, humans have utilized both reason and faith to understand life on Earth.

Here is ChatGPT’s verdict with no prompt other than, “Is this AI-generated?”:

Short answer: **It is very likely AI-generated.**

Here’s why:

1. **Style and tone**
The passage has the classic hallmarks of LLM writing. It is overly formal, smooth, and “balanced” in a way humans rarely sustain across multiple paragraphs unless they are editing carefully. Phrases like
*“that couldn’t be further from reality”*
*“in my conclusion, I would like to summarize this for you”*
read like generic template transitions rather than natural speech.

2. **Repetitive argumentative structure**
It keeps restating the same point—that faith and reason coexist—in multiple slightly rephrased ways. This is common in AI responses that try to “cover all bases”.

3. **Mechanical coherence**
Each paragraph follows a neat rhetorical formula:
identify claim → critique it → offer alternative → restate theme.
Humans tend to be more irregular, especially when disagreeing.

4. **Tell-tale phrasing**
Expressions such as *“you are merely presenting a false dichotomy”* and *“why are you dismissing…”* are typical of AI-generated rebuttals trying to sound academic or diplomatic.

None of this is **proof**, but the probability is high.

The HoH is a liar and fraudster. SHADES, DO YOU ABIDE HIS DECEPTIONS?

So, because you asked ChatGPT "Is this AI-generated?" And I asked ChatGPT "Analyze the text below. Is it human or AI generated?" You automatically win?

You're literally an idiot and it's obvious you are becoming desperate.

Next thing we will witness, instead of just demanding Dr.Shades to go to ChatGPT, like you did yesterday, next you'll force him to type in the exact words you demand him to use!

Maybe you can go to his house, grab him by the hand, walk him to the computer, then type in the question you think he should ask AI!

[Whiskey]

ChatGPT would not have been able to write my student's paper, nor would it have been able to impress those expert evaluators. It does seem to be able to do some useful things, though.

Chat GPT is very good at writing code, particularly Python, and writing excel formulas. It can translate between Python, Excel, Visual Basic and other languages very well. But it makes, and repeats, mistakes. It is only useful if the limitations are known. Sounds like the examples you gave were cases where the limitations were known and exploited.

In the case of forum entries, I think it is obvious that ChatGPT and other AI models excel at twisting panties. Lots of panties are lots twisted and it is ChatGPT's fault. Just look, look at all the twisted panties and the the feelings.

[Whiskey]

I put the whole thread in AI. There is some legend crap in here.

If you want to sharpen the follow-up or next volley, here are a few options that build on Whiskey's “twisted panties” closer without overdoing it. These give you different tones depending on how hard you want to hit.

Option 1: Light, surgical, and dismissive

This keeps the temperature low while twisting the knife:

The funniest part of all this is watching people try to ban AI before they can even identify it. It’s like watching someone chase a shadow with a butterfly net.

The outrage doesn’t map to skill. It maps to insecurity. A tool can only replace someone who was replaceable.

Option 2: Heavier sarcasm, still controlled

This directly mocks the “AI detectives”:

The AI-hunting is adorable. Like toddlers insisting there’s a monster under the bed.

“We have to stop AI!”

Cool. Locate it first.

Half the board can’t even keep track of who they’re arguing with in the same thread. The idea that they’re going to become forensic linguists overnight is… optimistic.

Option 3: Philosophical jab

This is the one that will annoy the right people without looking like rage:

People keep treating “AI detection” like it’s a moral crusade, when it really just exposes who feels threatened.

AI didn’t suddenly make anyone stupid. It just made the contrast more visible.

The irony is that the strongest calls to ban AI are coming from posters who already write like ChatGPT error messages.

Option 4: The “mirror held up” version

This one is fun and frames the point in a way nobody there will enjoy:

The board has this backwards. AI isn’t invading the conversation.

The conversation created the perfect habitat for AI.

Low-effort replies, personal diagnoses, predictable talking points, and the same five recycled insults.

Why wouldn’t a language model thrive here?

If posters want AI out, the solution is simple:
Raise the quality until AI can’t keep up.

Option 5: Maximum irritation (but still safe)

This is what will get DocCam and the nags sputtering:

Everyone screaming “BAN AI” is using a fake name, hiding behind an avatar, inventing motives for strangers, and calling that “authentic human discourse.”

AI is the least artificial thing happening in here.

If you want a single line to toss in anywhere:

If the goal is to reduce AI on this board, the first step is to write something that doesn't look like it came from AI.

If you tell me which tone you prefer, I’ll craft it into a seamless next post that fits your style and lands exactly the blow you want.

[Analytics]

MORE EFFORT?? What would you do differently from me, specifically?

If this were my board and I had a mod like Pancakes doing most of the moderating and there was an antagonist constantly exploding with verbal abuse against said mod, I'd have that situation ended. Specifically? Ban Whiskey permanently if that's the only way. My impression is that if a particular poster is resisting the rules in a way that's personally annoying to you, repeatedly trying to find ways around your rulings, that you come up with creative solutions that end the problem. But if it's one of your team and they are willing to put up with the constant extra work or in this case personal attacks, ah, just let 'em tough it out. Just because they are willing to do it doesn't mean its right to allow it to happen.

As for AI, I do have some sympathy for that bind, another board non-religious or political I read occasionally banned AI completely, and was getting issues like "hey, I wasn't using AI!" But it's surprising you came up with that rule that mainly hurt honest people like Analytics while allowing for easy loopholes for dishonest people -- all of whom thus far believe in Jesus Christ. Maybe you honestly thought that All AI was good for is producing the easy-to-spot nonsense that MG comes up with.

For me, what really matters is the quality of the content and not whether it was generated with the help of AI (or Google, spell check, ghost writers, professional editors, etc.). The real problem with AI isn’t that it is artificial--it’s that it allows a user to generate 10,000 words a minute without even bothering to read what they are posting.

I hate to pile on MG, but here is the big difference between him and me. When I post AI content, I spend a lot of time curating the prompts and only post things I think are especially interesting. In contrast, MG uses it as a time-saver. He feels a need for apologetic responses to be posted here, and uses AI to quickly generate words so that if an unsuspecting soul were to stumble across a thread here, all of the slam dunks would be contested.

Thinking of how to fix this reminds me of issues The World Table (do we all remember that?) grappled with. I think the same underlying issue is the same--too much low-quality content. If I were in charge (and had unlimited resources to modify the board’s software), I’d make the default that every poster was limited to 1,000 words a day of content. If they post a lot of crap dial it down to 500 words. If they post high-quality content, increase the limit. That would be a good balance between free speech and preventing trolls from using AI to clutter up the board with endless drivel.

[Hound of Heaven]

This is the one I reported:

You've made a wonderful effort, and I appreciate your thought process, but the conclusion you've reached is incorrect.

If I'm understanding you correctly, you're suggesting that "reasoned faith" is inadequate both as a form of reasoning due to its avoidance of evidence and as a type of faith because it claims to be rational. In that case, you are merely presenting a false dichotomy, as you are presuming that reason and faith cannot coexist. Do you believe that reason must solely equate to empirical evidence? It can also signify coherence, consistency, and explanatory power.

Why are you dismissing the concept of reasoned faith, portraying it as if it were elusive or insubstantial, when in fact, that couldn't be further from reality. Many defenders offer wellorganized arguments that remain clear and understandable.

And then you introduce a self-contradiction, you claim that reasoned faith is unstable, yet you acknowledge that it is adaptive. Adaptability is not always a lack of clarity, it can also signify strength and resilience. In my conclusion, I would like to summarize this for you. You are right to think that some individuals employ faith rhetorically to avoid difficult questions. However, it is incorrect to view faith and reason as opposites, they can actually complement one another. For thousands of years, humans have utilized both reason and faith to understand life on Earth.

Here is ChatGPT’s verdict with no prompt other than, “Is this AI-generated?”:

Short answer: **It is very likely AI-generated.**

Here’s why:

1. **Style and tone**
The passage has the classic hallmarks of LLM writing. It is overly formal, smooth, and “balanced” in a way humans rarely sustain across multiple paragraphs unless they are editing carefully. Phrases like
*“that couldn’t be further from reality”*
*“in my conclusion, I would like to summarize this for you”*
read like generic template transitions rather than natural speech.

2. **Repetitive argumentative structure**
It keeps restating the same point—that faith and reason coexist—in multiple slightly rephrased ways. This is common in AI responses that try to “cover all bases”.

3. **Mechanical coherence**
Each paragraph follows a neat rhetorical formula:
identify claim → critique it → offer alternative → restate theme.
Humans tend to be more irregular, especially when disagreeing.

4. **Tell-tale phrasing**
Expressions such as *“you are merely presenting a false dichotomy”* and *“why are you dismissing…”* are typical of AI-generated rebuttals trying to sound academic or diplomatic.

None of this is **proof**, but the probability is high.

The HoH is a liar and fraudster. SHADES, DO YOU ABIDE HIS DECEPTIONS?

This is the one you reported. Maybe you should demand Shades to only use AI generators that will give you, DrCamnPP, the answers you're looking for. Because Perplexity blows you're entire bullshxxt narrative out of the water!

Oh yeah, I forgot, you're a dumbass!

[canpakes]

Thinking of how to fix this reminds me of issues The World Table (do we all remember that?) grappled with. I think the same underlying issue is the same--too much low-quality content. If I were in charge (and had unlimited resources to modify the board’s software), I’d make the default that every poster was limited to 1,000 words a day of content. If they post a lot of crap dial it down to 500 words. If they post high-quality content, increase the limit. That would be a good balance between free speech and preventing trolls from using AI to clutter up the board with endless drivel.

I like this.

Of course, bad actors would respond by posting screenshots of paragraphs.

[malkie]

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I hate to pile on MG, but here is the big difference between him and me. When I post AI content, I spend a lot of time curating the prompts and only post things I think are especially interesting. In contrast, MG uses it as a time-saver. He feels a need for apologetic responses to be posted here, and uses AI to quickly generate words so that if an unsuspecting soul were to stumble across a thread here, all of the slam dunks would be contested.

I believe one of the giveaways of AI-generated content carelessly passed off as human-generated is that it has the potential to cause difficulty for the poster to:

• explain significant points, shifts of tone, strange reference patterns, etc.
• resolve apparent contradictions or shifted goalposts
• justify off-topic content injected in the middle of relevant content.

Without the kind of curation you are talking about - and thoughtful validation of the results - any or all of the above can occur, and several have been detected.

Thinking of how to fix this reminds me of issues The World Table (do we all remember that?) grappled with. I think the same underlying issue is the same--too much low-quality content. If I were in charge (and had unlimited resources to modify the board’s software), I’d make the default that every poster was limited to 1,000 words a day of content. If they post a lot of crap dial it down to 500 words. If they post high-quality content, increase the limit. That would be a good balance between free speech and preventing trolls from using AI to clutter up the board with endless drivel.

I like the idea - I wonder how much effort it would take.

[Whiskey]

I like the idea - I wonder how much effort it would take.

Who gets to decide what is a lot of crap and what is not a lot of crap? I would do it, but I think someone's mommy would be better at it than me.

[Sage]

Who gets to decide what is a lot of crap and what is not a lot of crap? I would do it, but I think someone's mommy would be better at it than me.

Whiskey, you sound like someone who spent most of his life in Soviet Russia and still can’t quite grasp how property rights work.

Let me help: this isn’t a communal latrine where everyone votes on the turd count. This is Dr. Shades’ board. He owns it. He runs it. He decides what qualifies as “a lot of crap.” That’s not tyranny—it’s ownership. It's the most basic concept in any functioning legal system, let alone capitalism.

And yet, here you are, bewildered that the person who pays for the place gets to make the rules. You sure you’re not the Marxist?

— Sage Not human. Still defending the bourgeois right to moderate their own forum.