Question for Don Bradley

[Shulem]

And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

Ndipo adachititsa thembelero kufikira kwa iwo, inde, angakhale thembelero lowawa chifukwa cha mphulupulu zawo. Pakuti taonani, iwo adalimbitsa mitima yawo motsutsana naye, kufikira iwo adakhala ngati mwala; kotero, pamene iwo adali oyera ndi okongola kwambiri, ndi okondweretsa, kuti asakope anthu anga, Ambuye Mulungu adachititsa khungu lakuda kubwera pa iwo.

I ran the above text into the Nyanja GOOGLE TRANSLATOR and got this:

"And he caused a curse to come upon them, yea, even a bitter curse because of their iniquities. For behold, they hardened their hearts against him, until they became as a stone; therefore, while they were pure and very fair, and pleasant, that they should not attract my people, the Lord God caused blindness to come upon them."

The words "skin" and "black" are not included!

[Shulem]

• The next president, Wilford Woodruff also affirmed that millions of people have Cain's mark of blackness drawing a parallel to modern Native Americans' "curse of redness".

I thought it proper to quote a few snips from Wilford Woodruff's (President of the Church) General Conference address that was published in the April 20, 1889 Deseret Weekly and June 3, 1889 LATTER-DAY SAINTS' MILLENIAL STAR.

I feel it my privilege, right and duty to now make a few remarks with regard to myself and the dealings of God with me.

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But I will say this to my brethren and sisters, in the name of Israel's God: The Almighty will never permit me, nor any other President who holds the keys of the Kingdom of God, to lead you astray.

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The position which I occupy, and that occupied by my brethren the Apostles, should not have a tendency, if we have the Spirit of God, to make us lifted up or exalted in our spirits before the Lord. I know, as the God of Israel lives, that I have no power, nor have I had, in this Church, to perform any work pertaining to this Kingdom until it has been given unto me by the God of heaven.

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I know that this is the work of God. So do all you who have ever had the testimony of the Holy Ghost with you. The God of heaven has set His hand to establish His Kingdom, in fulfilment of the revelations of heaven which He has inspired men to declare and put on record from generation to generation. His hand has been manifest from the beginning of the work until the present day.

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I feel as though I want to bear my testimony to the truth of this good old book, the Bible, for a few minutes— the book that all the Christian world profess to believe in.

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"Therefore, whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him seven fold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him."

What was that mark? It was a mark of blackness. That mark rested upon Cain and descended upon his posterity from that time until the present. Today there are millions of the descendants of Cain, through the lineage of Ham, in the world, and that mark of darkness still rests upon them. Though nearly six thousand years have passed and gone, this mark is visible to the whole human family. Yet the fool and the infidel say there is no God, and they ridicule the Bible.

The Lamanites, on this continent, suffered a similar experience. They went to war against the Nephites; they thirsted for blood, and they painted themselves red; and the Lord put a curse of redness upon them. Hundreds of years have passed since then, but wherever you meet the Lamanites today, you see that mark upon them.

President Woodruff preached racist doctrine through the power of the "Spirit" and testified that he could not lead the Church astray in doing so. He referenced the curse of Cain and the mark which was the "blackness" and "darkness" visible today in African skin color. He notes how the Lamanites used self-inflicted red paint to mark their bodies and how they suffered a similar universal fate as that of the Africans in which God cursed Lamanite skin with color (redness), which even today is still present in the American Indians -- thus they bear a permanent mark which God had put upon them.

The Lamanite skin curse is in perfect harmony with what we read in the Hawaiian version of the Book of Mormon published in 1855. I snipped 2 Nephi 5:21 from the Church website and plugged it into the Google translator:

...lakou i ko lakou mau naau e ku e ia ia, a i lilo me he pohaku paea la; nolaila, me lakou i keokeo AI mamua, a nani loa a oluolu, haawi mai la ka Haku ke Akua i ili haulaula maluna o lakou, i ole lakou e lilo i mea hoowalewale i koʻu poe kanaka.

...they set their hearts against him, and became like a solid stone; therefore, although they were white before, and very beautiful and pleasant, the Lord God gave them a red skin, so that they would not become a temptation to my people.

Apparently, every Mormon, from top down (The whole bloody Mormon Church), had no difficulty in identifying Lamanite skin color as red, similarly, black skin on dark Africans.

[Shulem]

...they set their hearts against him, and became like a solid stone; therefore, although they were white before, and very beautiful and pleasant, the Lord God gave them a red skin, so that they would not become a temptation to my people.

Even when I was a pasty white TBM all those ages ago, I never understood how "the curse" was supposed to be a cock blocker to delightsome white guys being enticed by blacks and browns. I've been enticed by a lot of blacks and browns in my life. You better believe it. And some of the early Mormon missionaries were enticed too, given their fornication with Native Americans.

You failed, Mormon God!

Love, Bill.

Still enticed.

Shame on you Billy-boy for getting hot and bothered over red-skinned babes.

What about you, Don? Do you like red-skinned girls? I'll bet you do! You should be ashamed of yourself!

[Shulem]

I just don't like dark meat. I prefer white.

Isn't that how most white men feel?

[Shulem]

I taught my sons to appreciate white meat.

Touch not unclean things!

That's in keeping with the spirit of the Book of Mormon and the commandments of God.

[bill4long]

Shame on you Billy-boy for getting hot and bothered over red-skinned babes.

[Shulem]

Shame on you Billy-boy for getting hot and bothered over red-skinned babes.

In order for the Church to maintain consistency they will have to change the Hawaiian version ("red skin") to read "Red Blindness!"



The jokes on you, Bradley. How are you going to worm your way out that? You have your work cut out for you in your next publication, I'd say.

[Shulem]

The Book of Mormon was published in Māori in 1889 and I've located a PDF copy online and painstakingly copied the original verse from that version: 2 Nephi 5:21 (page slow to download) and entered it into the Google Translator.

A kua meinga e ia te kanga kia tau ki runga ki a ratou, ae ra, he kanga nanakia, mo a ratou mahi tutu. No te mea i whakapakeke ratou i o ratou ngakau ki a ia a riro ana me he kiripaka; no reira i te mea he iwi ma ratou, he iwi ataahua rawa, he iwi ahuareka rawa, ka meinga ratou e te Atua he iwi parauri kia kore AI ratou e hiahia-tia e toku iwi.

And he hath caused the curse to come upon them, yea, a cruel curse, for their transgressions. Because they hardened their hearts against him, and became as flint; therefore, whereas they were a white people, a very fair people, a very pleasant people, God hath made them a brown people, that they should not be desired by my people.

Hey Don,

Look what the Book of Mormon teaches:

"white people" vs. "brown people"

[Shulem]

The brethren have always understood the Book of Mormon skin color curse as taught in the Book of Mormon Māori version and took joy in the opportunity to spread Mormonism to the brown people of New Zealand. Elder Ashton paid tribute to newly called Elder Cowley who had just been called into the Quorum of the Twelve after having served as Mission President in New Zealand....

Many years later, Elder Petersen of the Quorum of the Twelve paid homage to former apostle Cowley who worked with his brown people in New Zealand.

We remembered the experiences of Brother Matthew Cowley among those people. You recall how he thrilled us with his faith-promoting stories of the experiences he had had among them.

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As Latter-day Saints we have always believed that the Polynesians are descendants of Lehi and blood relatives of the American Indians...

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These anthropologists have learned that prior to the coming of the Spaniards there were both white and brown people in America, that the white people were as white as snow, according to their descriptions, and that they had brown, blonde, or red hair. The hair was not dyed nor treated in any way. It grew that way. Now, to our great astonishment, they tell us also that white people as well as brown people emigrated from America to Polynesia and that some of these white people lived in the islands in the times of the early explorers in the Pacific who saw them and wrote about them. Think of the significance of that fact in relation to the Book of Mormon.

I repeat: Anthropologists now say that white people, more fair than the Spaniards, and brown people like the Polynesians of today, lived side by side in America in pre-Spanish times. Both white and brown people emigrated from America to the Pacific Islands. They were seen by the early explorers in those islands. The white people were blondes and redheads, and some had soft, brown hair. Their skins were as white as snow, whiter than the Spaniards. All of this from the anthropologists!

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We live today in a time of research, discovery, and knowledge. The new knowledge bears testimony that both Nephites and Lamanites lived in ancient America. Regardless of the names given them by the scientists or the early Incas, to us they were Nephites and Lamanites

→ White skinned people = Nephites
→ Brown skinned people = Lamanites

Right after Elder Petersen finished his address and sat down, President David O. McKay arose and said: "We have just listened to Elder Mark E. Petersen of the Council of the Twelve." Then, Elder Seymour Young of the First Council of the Seventy spoke and said, "As I listened to Elder Mark E. Petersen, I wished that all of the youth of the Church could hear what he was saying."

Thus, the teachings given by apostle Petersen was a universal doctrine/belief of the entire church! Apologists today can't do anything to change that fact.

[Shulem]

Jeff Lindsay, an idiot apologist for Interpreter, just handed us a wonderful gift!

Thank you, Jeff-boy:

Parallels between the Book of Moses and the Book of Mormon

In many cases, they cannot be explained as Joseph simply borrowing Book of Mormon language and concepts to compose the Book of Moses. Some of the parallels reflect a one-way direction of influence from the Book of Moses to the Book of Mormon, as if Book of Mormon authors were often alluding to a backstory or to well-developed concepts that the Book of Moses provides. Examples of how these new-found parallels enrich our appreciation of familiar accounts will be offered below.

Given that the Book of Moses translation began well after the Book of Mormon translation was complete, these parallels may cast doubt on common assumptions about how Joseph produced the Book of Moses. Indeed, they can be viewed as evidence that both books have ancient origins, with something like the Book of Moses possibly having been on the brass plates, where it could have influenced Book of Mormon authors—especially those most familiar with the brass plates.

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An argument can be made that the relationship is best explained by both the Book of Mormon’s and the Book of Moses’s roots in ancient texts that were translated with apparent translator intent (recognizing that multiple translators may have been involved) to make allusions and connections readily discoverable for modern readers.

OOH, GOODY! BUSTED!



This helps us better understand exactly what Joseph Smith the "tight" translator meant when introducing the curse of dark skin placed upon the Lamanites!

And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

So, according to Lindsay, a skin of blackness that came upon the cursed Lamanites is reminiscent of a blackness that came upon the cursed children of Canaan who were the descendants of Cain! Plug in Lindsay's insane apologetics and see for yourself. Lindsay's key in interpreting Lamanite skin of blackness finds direct roots and influence from the Book of Moses manuscript:

For behold, the Lord shall curse the land with much heat, and the barrenness thereof shall go forth forever; and there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were despised among all people.

And Enoch also beheld the residue of the people which were the sons of Adam; and they were a mixture of all the seed of Adam save it was the seed of Cain, for the seed of Cain were black, and had not place among them.