They Come to America

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If America sucked so bad under the last administration (and has to be made "Great Again), why did so many people try to come here that they had kick over 4 million foreigners out?

It's almost as if most humans are complex, and the opportunity costs that people weigh can't be distilled down into memes.
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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Tue Dec 30, 2025 5:36 pm
If America sucked so bad under the last administration (and has to be made "Great Again), why did so many people try to come here that they had kick over 4 million foreigners out?

It's almost as if most humans are complex, and the opportunity costs that people weigh can't be distilled down into memes.
If the Philadelphia Eagles try to win the Super Bowl again this season does that mean last season's championship sucks?
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Whiskey wrote:
Tue Dec 30, 2025 5:40 pm
Doctor Steuss wrote:
Tue Dec 30, 2025 5:36 pm
If America sucked so bad under the last administration (and has to be made "Great Again), why did so many people try to come here that they had kick over 4 million foreigners out?

It's almost as if most humans are complex, and the opportunity costs that people weigh can't be distilled down into memes.
If the Philadelphia Eagles try to win the Super Bowl again this season does that mean last season's championship sucks?
I think one would be hard-pressed to categorize the #2 seed in the NFC playoffs, with a 12-5 regular season record, as sucking just because they didn't double-up on the Bowl. I'd admittedly find it difficult to ever say they suck though, as Young and Rice elevated the team to sainthood in my youth.
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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Tue Dec 30, 2025 5:36 pm
If America sucked so bad under the last administration (and has to be made "Great Again),
Relative to the rest of the world it didn't suck.
Doctor Steuss wrote:
Tue Dec 30, 2025 5:36 pm
why did so many people try to come here that they had kick over 4 million foreigners out?
Because they're freeloaders who are a burden on the taxpayers, who have already demonstrated to be lawbreakers.

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canpakes wrote:
Tue Dec 30, 2025 3:36 pm
bill4long wrote:
Tue Dec 30, 2025 2:50 pm


Questions:

1. Where do you derive your morality?
2. What you do mean by 'weird'?
3. Why would you care if someone is concerned about reducing whiteness if they think reducing whiteness hurts their position in life?
4. What's wrong with racism, or more generally, tribalism ?
Hi, Bill -

If the Hound account is not capable of discussing this, I can direct a reply to you, instead. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

1. Social Contract theory.
2. Hound’s statement above uses ill-defined terms. Primarily, what is ‘whiteness’? Is ‘’whiteness’ destroyed if a Caucasian gets a great tan at San Tropez? Or is the question and word choice hiding some other concepts that the author is afraid to speak about?
3. The second point immediately above needs to be resolved first in order to best address Question 3, but the answer is rooted in Answer 4 below.
4. Tribalism is natural. Where the issue arises is from treating it as a zero-sum game.
1. Too vague to have any meaning worth responding to. Tighten it up.
2. We all know what whiteness is and what's going on in the USA. Try again.
3. Non-responsive.
4. Natural yes. And subjective. You're nothing close to being an arbiter.

Boring.
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bill4long wrote:
Tue Dec 30, 2025 7:56 pm
How many are you willing to have live with you?
Right back to the Kaysville conversation. If the answer to the question is zero, it is only hypocritical for a Christian to answer zero and it is righteous AF for a liberal to tell a Christian they are a hypocrite and to also answer zero.
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canpakes wrote:
Tue Dec 30, 2025 3:36 pm
bill4long wrote:
Tue Dec 30, 2025 2:50 pm


Questions:

1. Where do you derive your morality?
2. What you do mean by 'weird'?
3. Why would you care if someone is concerned about reducing whiteness if they think reducing whiteness hurts their position in life?
4. What's wrong with racism, or more generally, tribalism ?
Hi, Bill -

If the Hound account is not capable of discussing this, I can direct a reply to you, instead. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

1. Social Contract theory.
2. Hound’s statement above uses ill-defined terms. Primarily, what is ‘whiteness’? Is ‘’whiteness’ destroyed if a Caucasian gets a great tan at San Tropez? Or is the question and word choice hiding some other concepts that the author is afraid to speak about?
3. The second point immediately above needs to be resolved first in order to best address Question 3, but the answer is rooted in Answer 4 below.
4. Tribalism is natural. Where the issue arises is from treating it as a zero-sum game.
Canpakes,

I've been fascinated by Loran’s ability to run a three-man circus (Horndogger, Hooch and Bill4short). I guess Shades is okay with multiple sock puppets now?
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Tue Dec 30, 2025 8:23 pm
I guess Shades is okay with multiple sock puppets now?
Are you making an accusation against me? Apparently so.

If Shades wants to call me on the phone, I'll provide him with a number. I have no problem vetting myself. You?
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bill4long wrote:
Tue Dec 30, 2025 7:56 pm
Relative to the rest of the world it didn't suck.
I'm glad I could guide you to your own answer. It's always a more rewarding experience being taught how to fish.
Because they're freeloaders who are a burden on the taxpayers, who have already demonstrated to be lawbreakers.
If only there were data, from think tanks ranging the political spectrum, that we could look at to see if this matches reality.

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How many are you willing to have live with you?
Kind of a weird question. Are you feeling ok?
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