God can write straight with crooked lines.

[Gadianton]

“I didn't follow "if the 8-ball always wins, was the answer provided from within?"

There seems to be an internally generated type of revelation and an externally generated type of revelation—this isn’t clear to me.

For example, an internally generated revelation is one in which you don’t have to consult the 8-ball but an externally generated one requires you to do so.

Ahh...Both are external. There is no such thing as internal revelation. The difference that I mean between first and second order manifestations might be best explained by the difference between having a muse and having a magic 8-ball. A muse is in the background giving you flashes of ideas or even taking over at times bringing truths to light through you. A muse might even guide which way to go in a fork in the road. But the muse isn't interactive. You can't ask the muse a question. The 8-ball is interactive, but waiting for you to initiate. You figure out what you want to know, bring the question to the 8-ball, and the 8-ball will answer. It's got to be a yes/no question. The ideal is in the D&C, ask the Lord and either a) burning bosom or b) stupor of thought. The Liahona is based on 8-ball architecture.

Both the muse and magic 8-ball are in the scriptures, mostly it's the muse. But in terms of "testimony" or the "witness" when reading and praying about the Book of Mormon, it's assumed an 8-ball model that can absolutely confirm or deny a truth on a matter that is put in proposition terms.

[Everybody Wang Chung]

I vaguely recall ME being pretty straightforward, but something seemed to happen on the old Rosebud megathread that caused some fall out, including a new name starting up. I don't know mopologetic history well enough to know what the underlying issue was.

Highly recommend reading that link from Lem. Hell yes. Great, great, great rant. And spot on too. Y'all are going to miss me if Gad gets his wish and I am permanently banned.

Yes, I highly recommend that everyone read the comments from Hooch. I've seen more coherent and sober arguments written in my alphabet soup. I don't know about anyone else here, but I'll miss Hooch just like a violent and explosive case of diarrhea.

[Whiskey]

Highly recommend reading that link from Lem. Hell yes. Great, great, great rant. And spot on too. Y'all are going to miss me if Gad gets his wish and I am permanently banned.

Yes, I highly recommend that everyone read the comments from Hooch. I've seen more coherent and sober arguments written in my alphabet soup. I don't know about anyone else here, but I'll miss Hooch just like a violent and explosive case of diarrhea.

I think, Wanker, this is a commentary about your reading comprehension and gastric bypass more than a commentary about my writing. Though, if I am wrong, I am curious why Lem linked to it.

[Marcus]

Yes, I highly recommend that everyone read the comments from Hooch. I've seen more coherent and sober arguments written in my alphabet soup. I don't know about anyone else here, but I'll miss Hooch just like a violent and explosive case of diarrhea.

I think, Wanker, this is a commentary about your reading comprehension and gastric bypass more than a commentary about my writing. Though, if I am wrong, I am curious why Lem linked to it.

In the post I linked to, you quoted Gad. Gad's post is by far the most interesting part and explains quite a bit. Your contribution is a demonstration of Gad's point. It's not complimentary to your whiskey persona in my opinion, so I understand Everybody Wang Chung's post.

[Whiskey]

I think, Wanker, this is a commentary about your reading comprehension and gastric bypass more than a commentary about my writing. Though, if I am wrong, I am curious why Lem linked to it.

In the post I linked to, you quoted Gad. Gad's post is by far the most interesting part and explains quite a bit. Your contribution is a demonstration of Gad's point. It's not complimentary to your whiskey persona in my opinion, so I understand Everybody Wang Chung's post.

Gad said this. And I responded.

It doesn't even have anything to do with you, essentially, as it was easy to understand what Mayan Elephant meant in his posts also. Mayan Elephant explained himself thoroughly. Trying to understand what Whiskey intends with his posts, however, is like trying to interpret the words of a character from a Shakespeare play. It's quite challenging. I could be wrong with my interpretations. If I were a master character analyst I'd publish important papers on Shakespeare and famous novelists and get acclaim for it. Obviously, I'm not at that level.

I assume you enjoy being interpreted, because if you didn't, you would revert to posting as Mayan Elephant and straightforwardly tell us what you believe and why.

There is zero point in writing like Mayan Elephant on this forum as it exists. While there is still something interesting or nostalgic about the forum, it is nothing like what it was back in the Mayan Elephant, Equality, Lunar Quaker, Sophocles, Belaja, Sister Mary Lisa, Juggler Vain and Escalante Sam days. Not even close. Not even a little bit close.

For one, it was moderated by Shades back then. It was not moderated by rabid left-wing meatheads. It was a forum about Mormonism with some sideshows. The material was new. The characters were new. People like you and panny got little to no traction for being retarded trolling nuisances. And you damn sure were not moderating the forum to protect the ideology of retards.

[Marcus]

In the post I linked to, you quoted Gad. Gad's post is by far the most interesting part and explains quite a bit. Your contribution is a demonstration of Gad's point. It's not complimentary to your whiskey persona in my opinion, so I understand Everybody Wang Chung's post.

Gad said this. And I responded.

It doesn't even have anything to do with you, essentially, as it was easy to understand what Mayan Elephant meant in his posts also. Mayan Elephant explained himself thoroughly. Trying to understand what Whiskey intends with his posts, however, is like trying to interpret the words of a character from a Shakespeare play. It's quite challenging. I could be wrong with my interpretations. If I were a master character analyst I'd publish important papers on Shakespeare and famous novelists and get acclaim for it. Obviously, I'm not at that level.

I assume you enjoy being interpreted, because if you didn't, you would revert to posting as Mayan Elephant and straightforwardly tell us what you believe and why.

There is zero point in writing like Mayan Elephant on this forum as it exists. While there is still something interesting or nostalgic about the forum, it is nothing like what it was back in the Mayan Elephant, Equality, Lunar Quaker, Sophocles, Belaja, Sister Mary Lisa, Juggler Vain and Escalante Sam days. Not even close. Not even a little bit close.

For one, it was moderated by Shades back then. It was not moderated by rabid left-wing meatheads. It was a forum about Mormonism with some sideshows. The material was new. The characters were new. People like you and panny got little to no traction for being retarded trolling nuisances. And you damn sure were not moderating the forum to protect the ideology of retards.

Lol. QED.

[Whiskey]

Lol. QED.

Can you please use some emojis when you exhaust your retardiness with effort for a single post? Please?

[Gadianton]

A lot of this should be split off, we're ruining MG's thread, and I give MG props for starting a good thread that should be respected. I also do have a few points to defend MG coming up but I'm finishing off my bottle of Wild Turkey and getting blind sided by Whiskey at the same time. (?!)

it is nothing like what it was back in the Mayan Elephant, Equality, Lunar Quaker, Sophocles, Belaja, Sister Mary Lisa, Juggler Vain and Escalante Sam days. Not even close. Not even a little bit close.

Seriously dude? I've been a friend or a fan of a few of these posters, but aren't all of them posters from your old stomping ground? The NOM forum or something like that? Of course your team is the best. LOL. How freaking transparent can you get?

And as far as telling people what they think, you keep telling people that I want you banned, even though I never said that. I suggested that as the only viable option if you keep trying to break the rules as much as possible and always looking for a loophole like saying "blah blah blah" was a natural part of an ellipse. But I understand why you made the inference. It's very possible I said what I did while hoping you'd get banned. Instead of asking for clarification, you made an assumption and went with it. The utility of that is it either forces me to clarify, or have a mental breakdown and accuse you of mind-reading. I have no problem clarifying. I would love for you to continue posting, and just switch to sorta keeping the rules.

[Whiskey]

A lot of this should be split off, we're ruining MG's thread, and I give MG props for starting a good thread that should be respected. I also do have a few points to defend MG coming up but I'm finishing off my bottle of Wild Turkey and getting blind sided by Whiskey at the same time. (?!)

it is nothing like what it was back in the Mayan Elephant, Equality, Lunar Quaker, Sophocles, Belaja, Sister Mary Lisa, Juggler Vain and Escalante Sam days. Not even close. Not even a little bit close.

Seriously dude? I've been a friend or a fan of a few of these posters, but aren't all of them posters from your old stomping ground? The NOM forum or something like that? Of course your team is the best. LOL. How freaking transparent can you get?

And as far as telling people what they think, you keep telling people that I want you banned, even though I never said that. I suggested that as the only viable option if you keep trying to break the rules as much as possible and always looking for a loophole like saying "blah blah blah" was a natural part of an ellipse. But I understand why you made the inference. It's very possible I said what I did while hoping you'd get banned. Instead of asking for clarification, you made an assumption and went with it. The utility of that is it either forces me to clarify, or have a mental breakdown and accuse you of mind-reading. I have no problem clarifying. I would love for you to continue posting, and just switch to sorta keeping the rules.

Oh shutup now. Jesus, Gad. All of those posters were here as much as they were at NOM. Get real. NOM was dead after Arch blasted the place. The View from the Foyer got blasted too. FLAK barely survived for a bit. They were all at Cherry with Some Schmo and Voodoo and also here. Team shmeam. The Dehlin drama with Kish blowing smoke up Dehlin's ass and having a come-apart about anyone not also blowing smoke up Dehlin's ass all happened after everyone here was banned or uninvited at NOM. Dathon and whatshername put a massive lockdown at NOM. So rant away, but get your crap together first. Much of the migration to this forum was out of homelessness when the other forums got creamed and aimoo or whatever it was ate the archives.

Even Cherry seemed to lose traction after the forum passwords were lost and the key-holder died of brain cancer. Right?

The quote in my signature is exact.

"[ B]lah blah blah" can't exist in the alleged required form of an ellipsis (three dots). Get your facts straight. That is not even possible. Nevertheless, you will likely get your wish. Just waiting on Xeno I suppose. If he wants a moderator to crap on the forum and lie to and about posters and generally play nonsense, I have asked to have my Whiskey account deleted. No interest in that crap. You can damned have it. Simple as this. If one or more of the moderators approve of panny's moderation and simultaneous trolling participation, bounce me. No hard feelings. Y'all are free to roam about the planet without me.

Now Gad. Say thank you, goddamnit.

[Limnor]

A lot of this should be split off, we're ruining MG's thread, and I give MG props for starting a good thread that should be respected. I also do have a few points to defend MG coming up but I'm finishing off my bottle of Wild Turkey and getting blind sided by Whiskey at the same time. (?!)

Yeah I think a lot of this exchange could be split as well but I appreciate everyone’s input into my hijack.

I think a takeaway is that even thoughts or insights that arise in your own mind are not yours in authorship.

I’m interested in hearing your defense of MG—a while ago you said something along the lines of “it’s not his fault,” and that sat with me, so I’d be interested to hear more.