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The President of Peace has now attacked Venezuela and arrested its President.

Commentary by Joyce Vance:
Trump Strikes Venezuela; Arrests President Maduro
JOYCE VANCE
JAN 3

As you’re likely aware by now, overnight, the Trump administration, without alerting Congress first, went into Venezuela and arrested its President, Nicolás Maduro, on charges stemming from a newly announced indictment in the Southern District of New York. Trump will hold a press conference from Mar-a-Lago at 11am ET. In advance, here is a quick outline of the legal landscape and the issues we need to become familiar with to understand what is happening. Some hot takes here, in a complicated area, to provide that context quickly.

Overnight, news and video emerged showing what appeared to be explosions in Venezuela’s capital, Caracas.

At 3:21 am, Trump confirmed the strike.

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has been on Trump’s radar screen all year, starting with the declaration that the Venezuelan gang, Tren de Aragua, was a terrorist organization attacking the U.S., which became Trump’s argument to support deportations to CECOT prison and subsequently, for kinetic strikes against what the administration alleges are narcoterrorists transporting illegal narcotics by sea. Maduro’s 2024 reelection, with a narrow margin of around 1.5%, was questioned by the opposition. He is an authoritarian leader, Opposition leader Maria Machado dedicated her Nobel Peace Prize to Trump.

Vice President JD Vance. offered more explanation.

“The president offered multiple off ramps, but was very clear throughout this process: the drug trafficking must stop, and the stolen oil must be returned to the United States. Maduro is the newest person to find out that President
Trump means what he says. Kudos to our brave special operators who pulled off a truly impressive operation.”


Maduro and others were indicted in 2020 by the Southern District of New York when Bill Barr was Attorney General. This morning, Pam Bondi announced an indictment. It’s not yet clear whether that is a new indictment or a related one. Since Maduro’s wife was taken along with him, and she was not named in the original indictment, it’s likely that at a minimum, the old indictment has been superseded (amended).

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Is it legal for the president to go into Venezuela without Congressional authorization? Congress holds the war power. Utah Senator Mike Lee initially seemed skeptical, but seemed to subsequently be appeased by an explanation from Secretary of State Marco Rubio. The explanation, which we’ll hear more about as this develops, seems to be that this was not an attack—new hostilities—but a limited strike designed to arrest someone under indictment, with “unit support” to protect those affecting the arrest.

Rebecca Ingber, a law professor and expert in international law weighed in on social media this morning to explain she expects the administration to argue that the justification for the action will involve the President’s Article II power to affect the arrest and related ability to protect those making it.

This argument is complicated by the fact that Maduro is the leader of his country, so it’s not just a normal arrest. There will be arguments that he is not a legitimate leader because of the questioned election. It is up to the president to decide which governments to recognize as legitimate and this post from Marco Rubio last July suggests where this is headed.

But the subtleties of international law seem to be lost in the midst of warmongering and the administration’s desire to take down an alleged narco terrorist. The situation is further complicated because this Justice Department is no longer operating in a way where we can assume its prosecutions are solid. The evidence will be carefully scrutinized because we are now firmly in an era where the Justice Department has permitted itself to become a political tool the president can use at will. Trump certainly welcomes the distraction from the botched Epstein Files release, and there are suggestions that this is ultimately about Venezuela’s oil. Venezuela has the world’s largest oil reserves.

There are also questions about the legitimacy of Trump’s claims he’s focused on a war against narcoterrorism in light of his December pardon of former Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernández. Hernández was convicted by a jury and sentenced in 2024 to 45 years in prison for using his position to help drug traffickers import more than 400 tons of cocaine into the U.S., accepting bribes that advanced his political career, and providing protection from prosecution to violent drug cartel leaders. There will be a lot of questions.

There is at least some precedent for this kind of action. George H.S. Bush arrested Panama’s leader, Manuel Noriega, thirty-six years ago today. Bush sent the military into Panama in late 1989, toppling Noriega's government. The administration has been referencing that incident, known as Operation Just Cause, since July, and intimating that Maduro’s time in office was coming to an end.

The New York Times is continuing to post live updates.

A primary question is how Congress will react. Will they accept the administration’s justification? Will they stand on their institutional war powers? Democratic Senator Andy Kim tweeted this morning that: “Secretaries Rubio and Hegseth looked every Senator in the eye a few weeks ago and said this wasn’t about regime change. I didn’t trust them then and we see now that they blatantly lied to Congress.” Republican Tom Cotton countered that the administration is not obligated to provide notice in an arrest situation.

Human rights expert Alonso Gurmendi has a thread on Twitter tracking the reaction of foreign countries.

As we focus here on the legality of the strike, remember that all of this is early; these are hot takes and they are going to evolve as more information becomes available. But we now have some context from what we will hear from Trump in this morning’s news conference and what follows today and on the Sunday shows tomorrow. It is likely concerns that this is about oil—Maduro and his predecessor Hugo Chavez nationalized oil fields in the country and Trump has repeatedly railed against “stolen oil”—will continue to surface. On Fox News this morning, Trump said, “Fox News “when you do oil everything follow.”

Regardless of motivation, there are larger concerns about how this impacts regional, and global—given Venezuelan oil—stability. The New York Times, in an early morning opinion piece from the editorial board, made a key point about regime change for us to consider as this unfolds:

“If there is an overriding lesson of American foreign affairs in the past century, however, it is that attempting to oust even the most deplorable regime can make matters worse. The United States spent 20 years failing to create a stable government in Afghanistan and it replaced a dictatorship in Libya with a fractured state. The tragic consequences of the 2003 war in Iraq continue to beset America and the Middle East. Perhaps most relevant, the United States has sporadically destabilized Latin American countries, including Chile, Cuba, Guatemala and Nicaragua, by trying to oust a government through force.

Mr. Trump has not yet offered a coherent explanation for his actions in Venezuela. He is pushing our country toward an international crisis without valid reasons. If Mr. Trump wants to argue otherwise, the Constitution spells out what he must do: Go to Congress. Without congressional approval, his actions violate United States law.”

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canpakes wrote:
Sat Jan 03, 2026 4:29 pm
Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has been on Trump’s radar screen all year, starting with the declaration that the Venezuelan gang, Tren de Aragua, was a terrorist organization attacking the U.S.,
I thought this hombre was the leader of trans de agua.

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canpakes wrote:
Sat Jan 03, 2026 4:29 pm
The President of Peace has now attacked Venezuela and arrested its President.
It's been moderately amusing watching all of Trump's handlers try to frame it as a law enforcement operation solely to curb the flow of drugs into the US, and Trump repeatedly being all "oil, oil, oil, oil..."

The best was on his plane, after Trump talked up how we're going to take the oil, and the seasoned warmonger Graham tried to redirect and talk about stopping drugs. A nanosecond after Graham was done, Trump was immediately talking about the oil again.

I guess we don't get to be conspiracy theorists this time, about the reasons we invaded and destabilized a country. "I think it was all about the oil" doesn't have the same panache when the head of the government is saying it was indeed all about larping as conquistadors.
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UPenn faculty condemn Trump administration’s demand for ‘lists of Jews’

Groups say EEOC demand for names and personal details echoes dark history and threatens safety and civil rights

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Alice Speri
16:12 EST Tuesday, 13 January 2026


Several faculty groups have denounced the Trump administration’s efforts to obtain information about Jewish professors, staff and students at the University of Pennsylvania – including personal emails, phone numbers and home addresses – as government abuse with “ominous historical overtones”.

The US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) is demanding the university turn over names and personal information about Jewish members of the Penn community as part of the administration’s stated goal to combat antisemitism on campuses. But some Jewish faculty and staff have condemned the government’s demand as “a visceral threat to the safety of those who would find themselves identified because compiling and turning over to the government ‘lists of Jews’ conjures a terrifying history”, according to a press release put out by the groups’ lawyers.

The EEOC sued Penn in November over the university’s refusal to fully comply with its demands. On Tuesday, the American Association of University Professors’ national and Penn chapters, the university’s Jewish Law Students Association and its Association of Senior and Emeritus Faculty, and the American Academy of Jewish Research filed a motion in federal court to intervene in the case.

“These requests would require Penn to create and turn over a centralized registry of Jewish students, faculty, and staff – a profoundly invasive and dangerous demand that intrudes deeply into the freedoms of association, religion, speech, and privacy enshrined in the First Amendment,” the groups argued.

“We are entering territory that should shock every single one of us,” said Norm Eisen, co-founder and executive chair of the Democracy Defenders Fund on a press call. The fund is representing the faculty groups along with the American Civil Liberties Union of Pennsylvania and the firm Hangley Aronchick Segal Pudlin and Schiller. “That kind of information – however purportedly benign the excuses given for it – can be put to the most dangerous misuse. This is an abuse of government power that drags us back to some of the darkest chapters in our history.”

The EEOC did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
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Ref Venezuela, Dump demanded oil companies invest $100B to modernize Venezuela’s infrastructure. AMERIKKKA FURST.

Oil execs rejected the demand with various reasons. In response, Dump threatened to exclude companies like ExxonMobil from future energy agreements in the region if they don’t do this.

I SAYED AMURIKKKA FUUUUURST LIBRULS!!!!!

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
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My only problem with the commentary is the word "now." He's always looked like an idiot to me. He has always acted and talked like an idiot as well. It's remarkable how many people seemed to have missed it.

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As soon as Trump announced that US oil companies were to take over the running of the ailing Venezuelan oil industry, some of us pointed out that it was highly unlikely that the said companies would consider that such a high-risk investment with long-delayed and uncertain returns was unlikely to seem a proper use of share-holders' funds.

But unfortunately for Trump, he does not appear to be a regular reader of this board.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Wed Jan 14, 2026 1:41 pm
Ref Venezuela, Dump demanded oil companies invest $100B to modernize Venezuela’s infrastructure. AMERIKKKA FURST.

Oil execs rejected the demand with various reasons. In response, Dump threatened to exclude companies like ExxonMobil from future energy agreements in the region if they don’t do this.

I SAYED AMURIKKKA FUUUUURST LIBRULS!!!!!

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Wed Jan 14, 2026 1:41 pm
Ref Venezuela, Dump demanded oil companies invest $100B to modernize Venezuela’s infrastructure. AMERIKKKA FURST.

Oil execs rejected the demand with various reasons. In response, Dump threatened to exclude companies like ExxonMobil from future energy agreements in the region if they don’t do this.

I SAYED AMURIKKKA FUUUUURST LIBRULS!!!!!
Yeah because they'd been there/done that before, had all their assets seized, and they don't want to invest in an unstable country. As for future agreements, by the time, if ever, the country becomes stable and they want to invest, Trump will be long dead but that doesn't even cross his "mind" does it? Him being a successful businessman himself and all. :roll:
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Regarding the oil execs meeting, and Trump once again making an absolute fool of himself and our nation (I think my favorite was when he told an executive that had invested billions into the wind market in China that China had no wind market) -- I posted elsewhere last week:
Doctor Steuss wrote:
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While I think Trump's "it's the oil, it's the oil, it's the oil" kind of removes any doubt as far as executive branch justifications go, I also think Trump is too incompetent to understand the global oil markets, and how they interplay with our domestic companies (exhibit A, him bankrupting a huge chunk of our domestic oil companies with is idiocy during his first presidency, and exhibit B him setting off an inflation bomb with OPEC dog-walking him in 2020 as retribution for Trump's moronic Syrian double-cross). Of course, there's always the chance that he does understand them, and weakening America and strengthening places with lower break-even points is the end goal.

If (and that's a really big if) any US oil companies had a hand in pressuring this move, it was to throttle production and control the rate that Venezuelan oil enters the global market. US oil companies have recently invested billions into Canada. Pumping large amounts of Venezuelan oil into the global market (instead of its minimal current black-market route) would be great for consumers, but it would be one of the worst things for US oil companies who are looking to protect their investments. We're already at a WTI Crude oil price that makes a lot of domestic well production unprofitable, and the US has already lost about 70 oil rigs from the total count since Trump took office.

Alternatively though, Trump's pathological incompetence when it comes to "America First" has increased the US's exposure to European markets for NG, which has resulted in a drastic increase in NG prices, as well as an increase in domestic wells. Electricity costs in the US are going to be brutal in the future for a lot of areas.
It'll never cease to amaze me how Trump supporters are immune to embarrassment.
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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Wed Jan 14, 2026 9:49 pm
It'll never cease to amaze me how Trump supporters are immune to embarrassment.
Morons don't know enough to be embarrassed. They think it's fun crapping their pants.
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