They’re Not Deceived – Trump Evangelicals Are CHOOSING the Lies

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What would Rev. Billy Graham say about the type of behavior that is coming from his son?

Snopes has it right here. He already said it.

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Gunnar wrote:
Thu Jan 22, 2026 4:16 am
I wonder sometimes if Ajax is even capable of recognizing or admitting to himself that he is lying. I suspect not.
Lying, wrong, or stupid. Take your pick.
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ajax18 wrote:
Wed Jan 21, 2026 5:22 pm
Did religious dominance get such a lopsided interpretation of the FIrst Amendment that it's somehow ok for Don Lemon and his band of reconquistadores the right to jump in and halt a church service? What happened when anti abortionists entered an abortion clinic and sang church hymns? Did freedom of speech save them from a sentence of over a decade in prison from Merrick Garland's partisan political DOJ? If you want to be fair about it, Don Lemon and every other protester who entered that church service uninvited should spend the next 10 years in prison.
Yo, which kind of douchbag are you? See chapter 4 in the book by David Coates and Corey Kilpack, "Be Less Dickish: Chapter 4, and let me know. AP’s fact check is explicit: people online claimed an activist was sentenced for praying; that was false; the conviction was for participating in a clinic invasion/blockade. Don't you or Hound of Heaven even bother to take just a couple mere minutes to check and see if what you say is accurate or true? How low does self esteem in a man have to be in order to propagate such ridiculous stupidity as facts?
In the major DC “clinic blockade” case, DOJ lists sentences like 57 months, 34 months, 24 months, etc., not “over a decade.”
You said “To be fair, Don Lemon and every protester who entered the service should spend 10 years in prison." That’s a value judgment, duh, but as a “fact check” it has big legal problems: Trespass and/or disruption is usually handled under state law. Penalties are typically far less than 10 years unless there’s violence, serious injury, or other felony conduct. The FACE Act explicitly covers both reproductive health facilities and places of worship, but penalties escalate mainly with force, threats, injury, or repeat conduct, not merely because a protest occurred. The Minnesota situation is also still being framed as an investigation/possible charges, not a settled conviction with known facts and findings.
Man how can anyone give any credibility to your fake news when you ding up truth so badly and mar your own credibility like this?! Is it really so hard to take a minute or two and look something up first before typing out nonsense and removing all doubt you have nothing of value to contribute to a discussion? Don't forget chapter 4 in the book, it's VITAL.
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Some Schmo wrote:
Thu Jan 22, 2026 6:12 am
Gunnar wrote:
Thu Jan 22, 2026 4:16 am
I wonder sometimes if Ajax is even capable of recognizing or admitting to himself that he is lying. I suspect not.
Lying, wrong, or stupid. Take your pick.
I'll take "stupid" for 1,000........
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Philo Sofee wrote:
Thu Jan 22, 2026 6:25 am
Some Schmo wrote:
Thu Jan 22, 2026 6:12 am

Lying, wrong, or stupid. Take your pick.
I'll take "stupid" for 1,000........
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It feels to me that calling yourself a Christian these days is itself a confession. How damned embarrassing.
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While it is true that the FACE Act also applies to places of worship, I am skeptical that it applies to interrupting a religious service through speech. FACE applies to physically obstructing access, bodily injury or threat of bodily injury, and restriction of movement. While the protesters are certainly guilty of trespass, I am dubious that FACE applies.

Civil disobedience involves breaking the law. My own opinion is that people who engage in civil disobedience should be fully prepared to be punished under the law they choose to break. That’s the power of civil disobedience — to appeal to a higher morality. It’s the knowing acceptance of punishment under the law that calls attention to the higher morality.

On Don Lemon, a magistrate judge refused to approve a complaint against him presented by the DOJ. This fits with the DOJs current abysmal record of being spurned by grand juries and judges as it tries to implement Trump’s Lawfare revenge tour. FACE is explicit that the intent required under the law is the specific intent to interfere with the religious worship. Lemon was covering the event as a journalist.
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Philo Sofee wrote:
Thu Jan 22, 2026 6:24 am
ajax18 wrote:
Wed Jan 21, 2026 5:22 pm
Did religious dominance get such a lopsided interpretation of the FIrst Amendment that it's somehow ok for Don Lemon and his band of reconquistadores the right to jump in and halt a church service? What happened when anti abortionists entered an abortion clinic and sang church hymns? Did freedom of speech save them from a sentence of over a decade in prison from Merrick Garland's partisan political DOJ? If you want to be fair about it, Don Lemon and every other protester who entered that church service uninvited should spend the next 10 years in prison.
Yo, which kind of douchbag are you? See chapter 4 in the book by David Coates and Corey Kilpack, "Be Less Dickish: Chapter 4, and let me know. AP’s fact check is explicit: people online claimed an activist was sentenced for praying; that was false; the conviction was for participating in a clinic invasion/blockade. Don't you or Hound of Heaven even bother to take just a couple mere minutes to check and see if what you say is accurate or true? How low does self esteem in a man have to be in order to propagate such ridiculous stupidity as facts?
In the major DC “clinic blockade” case, DOJ lists sentences like 57 months, 34 months, 24 months, etc., not “over a decade.”
You said “To be fair, Don Lemon and every protester who entered the service should spend 10 years in prison." That’s a value judgment, duh, but as a “fact check” it has big legal problems: Trespass and/or disruption is usually handled under state law. Penalties are typically far less than 10 years unless there’s violence, serious injury, or other felony conduct. The FACE Act explicitly covers both reproductive health facilities and places of worship, but penalties escalate mainly with force, threats, injury, or repeat conduct, not merely because a protest occurred. The Minnesota situation is also still being framed as an investigation/possible charges, not a settled conviction with known facts and findings.
Man how can anyone give any credibility to your fake news when you ding up truth so badly and mar your own credibility like this?! Is it really so hard to take a minute or two and look something up first before typing out nonsense and removing all doubt you have nothing of value to contribute to a discussion? Don't forget chapter 4 in the book, it's VITAL.
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ajax18 wrote:
Sat Jan 24, 2026 12:30 am
Philo Sofee wrote:
Thu Jan 22, 2026 6:24 am

Yo, which kind of douchbag are you? See chapter 4 in the book by David Coates and Corey Kilpack, "Be Less Dickish: Chapter 4, and let me know. AP’s fact check is explicit: people online claimed an activist was sentenced for praying; that was false; the conviction was for participating in a clinic invasion/blockade. Don't you or Hound of Heaven even bother to take just a couple mere minutes to check and see if what you say is accurate or true? How low does self esteem in a man have to be in order to propagate such ridiculous stupidity as facts?
In the major DC “clinic blockade” case, DOJ lists sentences like 57 months, 34 months, 24 months, etc., not “over a decade.”
You said “To be fair, Don Lemon and every protester who entered the service should spend 10 years in prison." That’s a value judgment, duh, but as a “fact check” it has big legal problems: Trespass and/or disruption is usually handled under state law. Penalties are typically far less than 10 years unless there’s violence, serious injury, or other felony conduct. The FACE Act explicitly covers both reproductive health facilities and places of worship, but penalties escalate mainly with force, threats, injury, or repeat conduct, not merely because a protest occurred. The Minnesota situation is also still being framed as an investigation/possible charges, not a settled conviction with known facts and findings.
Man how can anyone give any credibility to your fake news when you ding up truth so badly and mar your own credibility like this?! Is it really so hard to take a minute or two and look something up first before typing out nonsense and removing all doubt you have nothing of value to contribute to a discussion? Don't forget chapter 4 in the book, it's VITAL.
You've given me motivation to strive more earnestly to be a better person in this life, Kerry. If I don't, eternity with people like you and Schmo awaits me.
We don't need to be better persons in this life, ajax. We need to try to be like Jesus. Do what he did and do what he said. Doers of the Word. It's in the Book.
James 1:22-25 KJV

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: for he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
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ajax18 wrote:
Sat Jan 24, 2026 12:30 am
Philo Sofee wrote:
Thu Jan 22, 2026 6:24 am

Yo, which kind of douchbag are you? See chapter 4 in the book by David Coates and Corey Kilpack, "Be Less Dickish: Chapter 4, and let me know. AP’s fact check is explicit: people online claimed an activist was sentenced for praying; that was false; the conviction was for participating in a clinic invasion/blockade. Don't you or Hound of Heaven even bother to take just a couple mere minutes to check and see if what you say is accurate or true? How low does self esteem in a man have to be in order to propagate such ridiculous stupidity as facts?
In the major DC “clinic blockade” case, DOJ lists sentences like 57 months, 34 months, 24 months, etc., not “over a decade.”
You said “To be fair, Don Lemon and every protester who entered the service should spend 10 years in prison." That’s a value judgment, duh, but as a “fact check” it has big legal problems: Trespass and/or disruption is usually handled under state law. Penalties are typically far less than 10 years unless there’s violence, serious injury, or other felony conduct. The FACE Act explicitly covers both reproductive health facilities and places of worship, but penalties escalate mainly with force, threats, injury, or repeat conduct, not merely because a protest occurred. The Minnesota situation is also still being framed as an investigation/possible charges, not a settled conviction with known facts and findings.
Man how can anyone give any credibility to your fake news when you ding up truth so badly and mar your own credibility like this?! Is it really so hard to take a minute or two and look something up first before typing out nonsense and removing all doubt you have nothing of value to contribute to a discussion? Don't forget chapter 4 in the book, it's VITAL.
You've given me motivation to strive more earnestly to be a better person in this life, Kerry. If I don't, eternity with people like you and Schmo awaits me.
Ah that does my heart good. I wish you the best of luck!
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