The lack of training combined with the angry, brutal attitude of agents toward the public makes it much more likely that the person in the video was injured by the impact of a fired less than lethal munition than picking up a flash bang off the street. The concussive effect of the flash bang at that range would have knocked her down and incapacitated her.
She is running away from a smoky area. Then writhing on the ground with everyone around her focussed on her hand for some reason. Are you saying you think ICE shot her in the hand? How would a concussive effect affect her hand more than the rest of her body? Nobody gets knocked down from a concussive effect. So far, I'm not persuaded you're correct.
Yes, I think ICE hit her in the hand with some kind of less than lethal weapon. These guys have been shooting these weapons at point-blank range. Throwing up one’s hands when a weapon is pointed is an instinctive reaction — just like Renee Good did.
She was running away from whoever shot her and out of the smoke-tear gas. When she felt she was far enough away, she took off her mask and fell to the ground in pain.
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“I prefer peace. But if trouble must come, let it come in my time so that my children can live in peace.” — Thomas Paine
Yes, I think ICE hit her in the hand with some kind of less than lethal weapon. These guys have been shooting these weapons at point-blank range. Throwing up one’s hands when a weapon is pointed is an instinctive reaction — just like Renee Good did.
She was running away from whoever shot her and out of the smoke-tear gas. When she felt she was far enough away, she took off her mask and fell to the ground in pain.
Yup. We have seen the video of that agent who fired some kind of baton round right into a young woman's face, blinding her in one eye. One of those rounds hitting you in the hand (which is highly innervated) would be extremely painful.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Mayan Elephant:
Not only have I denounced the Big Lie, I have denounced the Big lie big lie.
Yes, I think ICE hit her in the hand with some kind of less than lethal weapon. These guys have been shooting these weapons at point-blank range. Throwing up one’s hands when a weapon is pointed is an instinctive reaction — just like Renee Good did.
She was running away from whoever shot her and out of the smoke-tear gas. When she felt she was far enough away, she took off her mask and fell to the ground in pain.
Yup. We have seen the video of that agent who fired some kind of baton round right into a young woman's face, blinding her in one eye. One of those rounds hitting you in the hand (which is highly innervated) would be extremely painful.
There was a young man in LA who was blinded in one eye by a pepper ball fired at close range.
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“I prefer peace. But if trouble must come, let it come in my time so that my children can live in peace.” — Thomas Paine
Why are you looking at me? I'm not in favor of violence against protestors who don't interfere with enforcement actions. Very pro-protest by people who don't violate the law.
The implications of what you have written here do rather depend on what you mean by 'interfering with enforcement actions'. Could you be a bit more specific, perhaps?
Don't block their travel. Don't insert yourself into their immediate context, say, not within 30 ft. Don't damage public property. Don't spit or throw substances on anyone. Don't carry a firearm if you plan to "mix it up" physically. I'd say that's a good starting point. Common sense. Unless you don't care about getting arrested, injured or even killed. It's a bad idea to intentionally jump into a cage with a Grizzly. If you do, I will have no sympathy for you if you get mauled or killed. I'm not judging anyone's morality with this statement. Merely commenting on the rather obvious consequences of ignoring physical cause and effect.
The implications of what you have written here do rather depend on what you mean by 'interfering with enforcement actions'. Could you be a bit more specific, perhaps?
Don't block their travel. Don't insert yourself into their immediate context, say, not within 30 ft. Don't damage public property. Don't spit or throw substances on anyone. Don't carry a firearm if you plan to "mix it up" physically. I'd say that's a good starting point. Common sense. Unless you don't care about getting arrested, injured or even killed. It's a bad idea to intentionally jump into a cage with a Grizzly. If you do, I will have no sympathy for you if you get mauled or killed. I'm not judging anyone's morality with this statement. Merely commenting on the rather obvious consequences of ignoring physical cause and effect.
Even the Chicago police in 68 managed to refrain from gunning folks down.
Don't block their travel. Don't insert yourself into their immediate context, say, not within 30 ft. Don't damage public property. Don't spit or throw substances on anyone. Don't carry a firearm if you plan to "mix it up" physically. I'd say that's a good starting point. Common sense. Unless you don't care about getting arrested, injured or even killed. It's a bad idea to intentionally jump into a cage with a Grizzly. If you do, I will have no sympathy for you if you get mauled or killed. I'm not judging anyone's morality with this statement. Merely commenting on the rather obvious consequences of ignoring physical cause and effect.
Even the Chicago police in 68 managed to refrain from gunning folks down.
The implications of what you have written here do rather depend on what you mean by 'interfering with enforcement actions'. Could you be a bit more specific, perhaps?
Don't block their travel. Don't insert yourself into their immediate context, say, not within 30 ft. Don't damage public property. Don't spit or throw substances on anyone. Don't carry a firearm if you plan to "mix it up" physically. I'd say that's a good starting point. Common sense. Unless you don't care about getting arrested, injured or even killed. It's a bad idea to intentionally jump into a cage with a Grizzly. If you do, I will have no sympathy for you if you get mauled or killed. I'm not judging anyone's morality with this statement. Merely commenting on the rather obvious consequences of ignoring physical cause and effect.
Do you think the Colonists should’ve stayed under British rule?
Do you think the Colonists should’ve stayed under British rule?
No. Because they were being denied the hereditary rights that Englishmen had fought for and enjoyed for many years: not to be taxed unless the taxation was agreed by an assembly to which they had the right to elect representatives.
Talking to an American historian some time ago, I was interested by his view on this matter. The people who wanted independence knew that independence in itself was not certain to get majority support from the people who mattered in the colonies. They therefore chose the 'no taxation without representation' slogan, not because they actually wanted representation (with the implication that taxation would then be acceptable), but because they knew that it was unlikely to be accepted - in part because the English parliamentary system did not possess the requisite political flexibility to grant it. Neat politics!
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Mayan Elephant:
Not only have I denounced the Big Lie, I have denounced the Big lie big lie.
The implications of what you have written here do rather depend on what you mean by 'interfering with enforcement actions'. Could you be a bit more specific, perhaps?
Don't block their travel. Don't insert yourself into their immediate context, say, not within 30 ft. Don't damage public property. Don't spit or throw substances on anyone. Don't carry a firearm if you plan to "mix it up" physically. I'd say that's a good starting point. Common sense. Unless you don't care about getting arrested, injured or even killed. It's a bad idea to intentionally jump into a cage with a Grizzly. If you do, I will have no sympathy for you if you get mauled or killed. I'm not judging anyone's morality with this statement. Merely commenting on the rather obvious consequences of ignoring physical cause and effect.
Don't talk back to your fathers or husbands. Don't look any man straight in the eyes, or he may think you're being too forward. Don't engage in any kind of behavior that may be seen as flirtatious, or it may provoke sexual aggression. Don't go unescorted to places where men gather. Don't wear short skirts or halter tops.
Because, as you say, "If you do, I will have no sympathy for you if you get mauled or killed. I'm not judging anyone's morality with this statement. Merely commenting on the rather obvious consequences of ignoring physical cause and effect."
Don't talk back to your fathers or husbands. Don't look any man straight in the eyes, or he may think you're being too forward. Don't engage in any kind of behavior that may be seen as flirtatious, or it may provoke sexual aggression. Don't go unescorted to places where men gather. Don't wear short skirts or halter tops.
Because, as you say, "If you do, I will have no sympathy for you if you get mauled or killed. I'm not judging anyone's morality with this statement. Merely commenting on the rather obvious consequences of ignoring physical cause and effect."
Don't jump into a cage with a Grizzly bear. You are free to ignore that too. But there are potentially grievous consequences. Don't expect me to care about it if you get mauled or killed when you could have easily avoided it by choosing wisely.
It is good to understand risk/reward cost/benefit considerations while navigating life.
