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Re: God can write straight with crooked lines.

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Limnor wrote:
Sun Feb 01, 2026 1:12 pm
In MG’s world, Mormon god commands immorality?
I'm assuming you're referring to God the Father? If so, no, God would not command immorality.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Sun Feb 01, 2026 8:15 pm
Limnor wrote:
Sun Feb 01, 2026 1:12 pm
In MG’s world, Mormon god commands immorality?
I'm assuming you're referring to God the Father? If so, no, God would not command immorality.

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Would you say that cutting off an inebriated man’s head, whilst he was passed out in the street, counts as an immoral act? Plural marriage, immoral? What about an illicit shell company scam to avoid legal reporting requirements? Funding activism against gay civil rights? And if your God the Father didn’t command those things, then your leaders have led your whole Church astray. He commanded it, or your Church is corrupted. There ain’t no middle ground.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Re: God can write straight with crooked lines.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Sun Feb 01, 2026 8:15 pm
Limnor wrote:
Sun Feb 01, 2026 1:12 pm
In MG’s world, Mormon god commands immorality?
I'm assuming you're referring to God the Father? If so, no, God would not command immorality.

Regards,
MG
If Mormon god doesn’t command immorality, how do you explain immoral acts claimed as divine commands?
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Limnor wrote:
Sun Feb 01, 2026 9:15 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Sun Feb 01, 2026 8:15 pm
I'm assuming you're referring to God the Father? If so, no, God would not command immorality.

Regards,
MG
If Mormon god doesn’t command immorality, how do you explain immoral acts claimed as divine commands?
Just as a refresher course, what are some of the specific commands given to Joseph Smith and/or other modern day prophets that were/are immoral? The Lord's actual words condoning and/or commanding specific immoral behavior/practice.

No paraphrasing or interpretive convolutions. :)

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Re: God can write straight with crooked lines.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Sun Feb 01, 2026 10:10 pm
Limnor wrote:
Sun Feb 01, 2026 9:15 pm
If Mormon god doesn’t command immorality, how do you explain immoral acts claimed as divine commands?
Just as a refresher course, what are some of the specific commands given to Joseph Smith and/or other modern day prophets that were/are immoral? The Lord's actual words condoning and/or commanding specific immoral behavior/practice.

No paraphrasing or interpretive convolutions. :)

Regards,
MG
Interpretation can’t be excluded from moral judgment, but IHQ has listed several situations that plainly claim divine command for practices widely regarded as immoral.
IHQ wrote: Would you say that cutting off an inebriated man’s head, whilst he was passed out in the street, counts as an immoral act? Plural marriage, immoral? What about an illicit shell company scam to avoid legal reporting requirements? Funding activism against gay civil rights?
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Limnor, I suspect you're probably not overly familiar with LDS scriptures etc, something MG appears to be trying to take advantage of, so let me help you with one specific example...

D&C 132:64–65
If any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches her the law of my priesthood… then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God.
Coercion of consent, threats of divine punishment, unequal sexual power, retroactive justification of secret relationships. Importantly, this is God speaking directly, not Joseph paraphrasing. Limnor, if you want more research assistance just let me know.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Re: God can write straight with crooked lines.

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Limnor wrote:
Sun Feb 01, 2026 10:19 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Sun Feb 01, 2026 10:10 pm
Just as a refresher course, what are some of the specific commands given to Joseph Smith and/or other modern day prophets that were/are immoral? The Lord's actual words condoning and/or commanding specific immoral behavior/practice.

No paraphrasing or interpretive convolutions. :)

Regards,
MG
Interpretation can’t be excluded from moral judgment, but IHQ has listed several situations that plainly claim divine command for practices widely regarded as immoral.
IHQ wrote: Would you say that cutting off an inebriated man’s head, whilst he was passed out in the street, counts as an immoral act? Plural marriage, immoral? What about an illicit shell company scam to avoid legal reporting requirements? Funding activism against gay civil rights?
I’d add marrying another man’s wife while he was away on a mission.
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MG 2.0 wrote: The Lord's actual words condoning and/or commanding specific immoral behavior/practice.
I already gave you the prime example from D&C 132:
God wrote:41 And as ye have asked concerning adultery, verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man receiveth a wife in the new and everlasting covenant, and if she be with another man, and I have not appointed unto her by the holy anointing, she hath committed adultery and shall be destroyed.
It's not adultery if God give's a man's wife to get with another man. Your response?
MG 2.0 wrote:In Section 132 when we read “Verily thus saith the Lord” we might see it as a human framing of a real but limited encounter with God, not a guarantee that the entire section, in its every detail, is morally pristine.
Your response is to say, even though we have God dead to rights, as it says "thus sayeth the Lord", that God didn't actually say that and Joseph could have been inventing it. And so any example that anybody gives you'll either dismiss as hearsay, or if it's right from the scriptures, you'll suggest that part was only the prophet saying it was from God, and coloring what God actually said.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Sun Feb 01, 2026 10:23 pm
Limnor, I suspect you're probably not overly familiar with LDS scriptures etc, something MG appears to be trying to take advantage of, so let me help you with one specific example...

D&C 132:64–65
If any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches her the law of my priesthood… then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God.
Coercion of consent, threats of divine punishment, unequal sexual power, retroactive justification of secret relationships. Importantly, this is God speaking directly, not Joseph paraphrasing. Limnor, if you want more research assistance just let me know.
Thank you.
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Re: God can write straight with crooked lines.

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Gadianton wrote:
Sun Feb 01, 2026 10:24 pm
MG 2.0 wrote: The Lord's actual words condoning and/or commanding specific immoral behavior/practice.
I already gave you the prime example from D&C 132:
God wrote:41 And as ye have asked concerning adultery, verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man receiveth a wife in the new and everlasting covenant, and if she be with another man, and I have not appointed unto her by the holy anointing, she hath committed adultery and shall be destroyed.
It's not adultery if God give's a man's wife to get with another man. Your response?
MG 2.0 wrote:In Section 132 when we read “Verily thus saith the Lord” we might see it as a human framing of a real but limited encounter with God, not a guarantee that the entire section, in its every detail, is morally pristine.
Your response is to say, even though we have God dead to rights, as it says "thus sayeth the Lord", that God didn't actually say that and Joseph could have been inventing it. And so any example that anybody gives you'll either dismiss as hearsay, or if it's right from the scriptures, you'll suggest that part was only the prophet saying it was from God, and coloring what God actually said.

Thank you also.

The only thing I’d add is whoever wrote those examples was not speaking for God. Maybe for Mormon god, but that’s not the same God as depicted in the Bible.
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