Trump Bombed Iranian Nuclear Site Fordo Today. Are We in WW 3?

[Chap]

There is some reason to exercise skepticism about this report. Herman Mehta, author of The Friendly Atheist Substack, explains why. https://open.substack.com/pub/friendlya ... medium=ios

I have a ton of respect for Mikey Weinstein, but I think Mehta’s caution is warranted. Single anonymous source information should be approached with skepticism.

I would be VERY happy to learn that this story was completely baseless!

[Doctor Steuss]

I've got to admit that MAGA was right. They told me that if I voted for Kamala Harris, that we'd end up internationally despised, with the economy destroyed, and in a new war.

I voted for Kamala, and here we are.

[ajax18]

When we get an Iranian government in power that doesn't teach children to chant death to America, death to Israel? We know we'll never get an Iran that looks like Tennessee. But if you have to hit them every week, better that than cleaning up a nuclear fallout on American soil.

What had to happen before you could say that Germany and Japan had been toppled in WW2?

To answer your question: Germany and Japan were occupied for a number of years by large numbers of Allied troops, and for some time both countries were governed by occupation authorities set up by the Allied powers. New democratic constitutions were imposed on both countries, and eventually the people of those countries were allowed to elect new governments. Finally the Allied forces occupying those countries were withdrawn, although some military bases were retained. Result? two prosperous countries aligned with democratic values and friendly towards the US and its allies.

Am I correct in thinking that you believe that dropping a lot of high explosives on Iran and going home will produce the same result? No boots on the ground required?

No, I'm saying that dropping high explosives on Iran and going home is preferable to allowing Iran to develop a nuclear weapon to use against us or Israel, or allowing this regime to remain in power unchallenged by people like the 30,000 Ayatollah mowed down for peacefully objecting. It's easy to criticize preemptive strikes by finding some small negative thing that happened as a result. The truth is that preemptive strikes on the red army and allying with and investing in the white army could have stopped the scourge of communism before it began. There would have been no Putin, who was clearly a product of a communist party upbringing. What if we had funded and put boots on the ground in China before the CCP was able to take power in China?

Do you think it's possible to repeat what was done in Germany and Japan in Iran? I don't because I don't buy into the liberal western myth that all cultures, religions, people, and societies are morally equal.

We're in a different situation to Europe. In Europe drawing a cartoon of the "prophet" Mohammed is enough to get you murdered with impunity because of your open borders policy which has made your countries little more than colonies for radical Islamic terrorist states. If you were to take out an Iranian facility for developing nuclear weapons to use upon the infidels, you'd be voted out almost immediately thanks to your open borders democratic socialist democracy. We should deport Jane Fonda to Europe where they can force her to wear a hijab, take away her driver's license, and marry her off to be the hundredth plural wife to the Ayatollah.

[Gunnar]

Do you think it's possible to repeat what was done in Germany and Japan in Iran? I don't because I don't buy into the liberal western myth that all cultures, religions, people, and societies are morally equal.

Perhaps not, but at this time there are few governments in the world that are more openly corrupt and immoral than the Trump administration we are now, unfortunately, saddled with. Trump, it seems to me, is hell bound to try to emulate some of the worst authoritarian, anti-democracy despots on earth, like Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un.

[canpakes]

I don't because I don't buy into the liberal western myth that all cultures, religions, people, and societies are morally equal.

Nazi Germany was proof of that. It revealed that there is likely no culture, religion, people and society that can remain untouched by moral failure, sometimes with supremely disastrous consequences.

[ajax18]

Do you think it's possible to repeat what was done in Germany and Japan in Iran? I don't because I don't buy into the liberal western myth that all cultures, religions, people, and societies are morally equal.

Perhaps not, but at this time there are few governments in the world that are more openly corrupt and immoral than the Trump administration we are now, unfortunately, saddled with. Trump, it seems to me, is hell bound to try to emulate some of the worst authoritarian, anti-democracy despots on earth, like Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un.

So why are you still in the US if you think Trump is as bad as Putin or Kim Jong Un? You don't really think Trump is as bad as any of these men. You just can't stand to see his foreign policy succeed, while President Obama sending jumbo jet loads of cash to the Ayatollah proved to be a complete waste of taxpayer money!

[Chap]

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Am I correct in thinking that you believe that dropping a lot of high explosives on Iran and going home will produce the same result? No boots on the ground required?

No, I'm saying that dropping high explosives on Iran and going home is preferable to allowing Iran to develop a nuclear weapon to use against us or Israel, or allowing this regime to remain in power unchallenged by people like the 30,000 Ayatollah mowed down for peacefully objecting. It's easy to criticize preemptive strikes by finding some small negative thing that happened as a result. [...]

The idea that you can permanently prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon by spending a few days bombing it from the air from time to time is a dangerous illusion. Remember when Trump told us that Iran's nuclear capacity had been 'obliterated' by the last round of bombing? It evidently wasn't.

Another point: the current bombing of Iran would certainly not be taking place if Iran actually had nuclear weapons. Thus, for instance, it is unlikely in the extreme that Trump will attack North Korea, since that country has nuclear weapons. If you were a country that felt it might attract the irritation of the US government at some time in the future, would you not think that it would be a very good idea to get a nuclear bomb as soon as possible?

[ajax18]

I don't because I don't buy into the liberal western myth that all cultures, religions, people, and societies are morally equal.

Nazi Germany was proof of that. It revealed that there is likely no culture, religion, people and society that can remain untouched by moral failure, sometimes with supremely disastrous consequences.

If Germany is the most immoral country, than why did nation building work in Germany and Japan but not Iraq or Afghanistan?

[ajax18]

The idea that you can permanently prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon by spending a few days bombing it from the air from time to time is a dangerous illusion.

Not as dangerous of an illusion as the illusion that if we just be nice to the Ayatollah's and send them jumbo jet loads of taxpayer cash, that they'll cease to hate America and rethink their antisemitism. During the entire 8 years of Obama Iran continued to do everything possible to develop nuclear weapons, sponsor terrorists, and teach their kids to chant death to America and death to Israel.

[Chap]

The idea that you can permanently prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon by spending a few days bombing it from the air from time to time is a dangerous illusion.

Not as dangerous of an illusion as the illusion that if we just be nice to the Ayatollah's and send them jumbo jet loads of taxpayer cash, that they'll cease to hate America and rethink their antisemitism. During the entire 8 years of Obama Iran continued to do everything possible to develop nuclear weapons, sponsor terrorists, and teach their kids to chant death to America and death to Israel.

Suggesting that the alternative to Trump's policy is "be nice to the Ayatollah's and send them jumbo jet loads of taxpayer cash" is simply a silly distraction from trying to to think seriously what the likely medium to long term results of Trump's current policies will be. Currently it is not at all clear that such policies will produce a country whose effective leadership is less hostile to the US.