Trump Bombed Iranian Nuclear Site Fordo Today. Are We in WW 3?

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A dual national Iranian-British woman (who has spent years in an Iranian jail and has no reason to love the present regime) warns that the ongoing US-Israeli attacks risks strengthening support for the present Iranian regime.

I have to say that if I was an Iranian still living in the country I would be torn between two things:
  1. A sense of relief that, at last, the regime that had harmed my country so much was suffering real damage.
  2. What might be called a '1940' feeling: my country is being ruthlessly attacked by foreign counttird one led by a boastful and arrogant idiot, and the other by a criminal who needs war to keep out of jail. We shall show them that it takes more than they can possibly do to make us crawl to them!
Does any reader of this board understand that a decent person might suffer that mental conflict?

Here is the article in today's Guardian:

Iranians living in UK tell Starmer that war will only strengthen Tehran regime
Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe among more than 100 signatories to letter urging PM not to get drawn further into the conflict

Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe is among three of Iran’s former political prisoners and more than 100 Iranians living in the UK who have urged the British prime minister not to get drawn further into the Iran conflict.

They are all signatories in a letter to Keir Starmer saying the way the war is being conducted is strengthening the regime in Tehran.

The letter acts as a counterpoint to those in the diaspora backing Reza Pahlavi, the exiled son of Iran’s former pro-western monarch, and who support the attacks on Iran as a prelude to regime change. Pahlavi has offered to lead a democratic transition, but Trump has said he is looking for an internal candidate to lead the Middle Eastern country.

In their letter, they say: “Nobody can claim to want the end of the Islamic republic more than we do. But attacking the country in this way will have the opposite effect. It will entrench the authoritarians and give life to the fiction that has sustained them internally for decades: that they are fighting western imperialism.

“When Netanyahu – a man charged with international war crimes after killing countless civilians in Gaza – assassinates Iran’s dictator, that kills the man but immortalises the myth. Iranians wanted him tried and punished for his crimes, not given the martyr-ending he craved.”

The 86-year-old supreme leader, Ali Khamenei,was assassinated along with many in his family in Israeli airstrikes on the first day of the war. He has been succeeded by one of his sons, Mojtaba Khamenei.

In the letter, the group set out a series of peaceful and practical steps to help the internal opposition, including those held in prison, such as providing Starlink to end the continued communications blackout inside Iran.

Zaghari-Ratcliffe, a British-Iranian dual national, was held in a jail on espionage charges mainly in Tehran for six years from 2016. Other signatories include the Iranian political prisoner Aras Amiri, a former British Council worker kept in jail for three years in Evin prison in Tehran, and Nasrin Parvaz, who spent eight years in Iranian jails from 1982. Others include high-profile artists within the Iranian community as well as academics and writers.

They write: “A pro-democracy policy would protect political prisoners and ensure that Israel and the US do not bomb prisons like Evin. It is in those cells where the future democratic leaders of Iran reside. A pro-democracy policy would smuggle internet devices – not weapons – across the border, and break the blackout that is blanketing the country. A pro-democracy policy would call out Israel’s assassination policy even when it targets leaders we despise. There is so much that can be done in solidarity with Iranians. But joining in with Netanyahu’s forever wars is not it.”

Starmer adjusted his policy of refusing any cooperation with the US attack on Iran when he said it became necessary to stop Gulf states coming under attack from Iran.

The Iranian group say in the letter they are “overcome with grief. For decades we have been hoping for the day when Iranian democracy can finally flourish. Many of us have not been able to visit Iran for years for fear of imprisonment or worse.”

And they criticise the Israeli leader, arguing that racism underlay his policy when he called on Iranians not to “sit with your arms crossed and instead rise up to finish the job”. They reject the presumption behind his remarks that “90 million people had been idly waiting several decades for his bombs”.
They add: “This is of course not just Netanyahu’s war, Trump and the US are a significant part of it. But as US secretary of state, Marco Rubio, said: ‘The president made the very wise decision – we knew that there was going to be an Israeli action, we knew that that would precipitate an attack against American forces, and we knew that if we didn’t preemptively go after them before they launched those attacks, we would suffer higher casualties.’ So the US followed Netanyahu into this war.”
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Rubio sounds like a toddler babbling out an excuse at the family dinner table. It’s so humiliating.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2026 10:24 pm
Rubio sounds like a toddler babbling out an excuse at the family dinner table. It’s so humiliating.
I agree that 'little Marco' (who used to call him that?) is a bit embarrassing for the human race. However, the negative features of his personality are as nothing compared to the revolting sado-fantasist who is the Secretary for Defense (sorry, that does remain his legal title, doesn't it?). Yuk.
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Chap wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2026 8:47 pm
What might be called a '1940' feeling: my country is being ruthlessly attacked by foreign counttird one led by a boastful and arrogant idiot, and the other by a criminal who needs war to keep out of jail.
What's a "counttird?"
Does any reader of this board understand that a decent person might suffer that mental conflict?
No, no reader of this board understands that. You're the only one.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2026 6:02 am
Chap wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2026 8:47 pm
What might be called a '1940' feeling: my country is being ruthlessly attacked by foreign counttird one led by a boastful and arrogant idiot, and the other by a criminal who needs war to keep out of jail.
What's a "counttird?"
Oh, I dunno. From the context I should think is is a typo for "countries". A more interesting, but much less likely possibility: perhaps someone was trying rather ineptly to coin a new word, perhaps "countryturd" to designate something rather nasty that is dumped on the world by the political system of a particular country. But I think the first possibility is much more likely, given the semantic construction of the rest of the sentence. What do you think?
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Chap wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2026 9:35 am
Dr. Shades wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2026 6:02 am
What's a "counttird?"
Oh, I dunno. From the context I should think is is a typo for "countries". A more interesting, but much less likely possibility: perhaps someone was trying rather ineptly to coin a new word, perhaps "countryturd" to designate something rather nasty that is dumped on the world by the political system of a particular country. But I think the first possibility is much more likely, given the semantic construction of the rest of the sentence. What do you think?
I think "counttird" is much too far away from "countries" to be a mere typo, so I'm leaning toward the latter. Even so, "counttird" is still quite far away from "countryturd," so it remains an open question.
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OK. So now it seems that a US military investigation of the strike on a girl's primary school that killed about 170 people, mainly children, has concluded that the Tomahawk missile that was filmed striking the school was fired by the US military, and targeted using obsolete data. See for instance:

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/11/us/p ... 998ee5b2f8

Iran does not have any Tomahawks, despite what Trump alleged a few days back, when he said the missile had been fired by Iran. Confronted today with news of the military investigation, what did he say? "I don't know about that'. His officials are taking refuge in the well-known 'investigation is still ongoing tactic'.

How much better it would have been if someone had come right out and said something like "This appalling loss of life happened because of a targeting error, for which there can be no legitimate excuse. The US and its military deeply regret this, and wish to express their heartfelt apologies to the parents and families of those who were killed."
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Chap wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2026 11:12 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2026 10:24 pm
Rubio sounds like a toddler babbling out an excuse at the family dinner table. It’s so humiliating.
I agree that 'little Marco' (who used to call him that?) is a bit embarrassing for the human race. However, the negative features of his personality are as nothing compared to the revolting sado-fantasist who is the Secretary for Defense (sorry, that does remain his legal title, doesn't it?). Yuk.
I’m as nauseated with this Iran Israel business as I was when Russia unjustly invaded Ukraine. This whole administration needs to be sent to the Hague.
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