Baptism

[Shulem]

Polygamy was a common widespread social custom. I think it has negatives but still I hope Jacob and his wives enjoyed sex and were happy with children.

Being common doesn't make it right or pretty nor does it offer an excuse for men (BACK THEN OR NOW) to act like f-ing pigs that treat women like possessions! Polygamy *IS* an ugly event both THEN & NOW. Period. No excuses! I don't want to hear them.

[huckelberry]

Polygamy was a common widespread social custom. I think it has negatives but still I hope Jacob and his wives enjoyed sex and were happy with children.

Being common doesn't make it right or pretty nor does it offer an excuse for men (BACK THEN OR NOW) to act like f-ing pigs that treat women like possessions! Polygamy *IS* an ugly event both THEN & NOW. Period. No excuses! I don't want to hear them.

Whatever.

I did not wish to excuse polygamy. I observed its historical reality.

[Shulem]

I did not wish to excuse polygamy. I observed its historical reality.

A manmade reality that does not reflect well on ancient Israel and its pretended views of having revelation to perform those acts.

It's a real blackmark!

[huckelberry]

I did not wish to excuse polygamy. I observed its historical reality.

A manmade reality that does not reflect well on ancient Israel and its pretended views of having revelation to perform those acts.

It's a real blackmark!

I am not aware of any revelation about polygamy before DC 132. I suppose there are a number of things that do not reflect well on ancient Israel.

[Shulem]

A manmade reality that does not reflect well on ancient Israel and its pretended views of having revelation to perform those acts.

It's a real blackmark!

I am not aware of any revelation about polygamy before DC 132. I suppose there are a number of things that do not reflect well on ancient Israel.

Have you not read the entire Bible, Huck? How can you say that?

Come on man.

[huckelberry]

I am not aware of any revelation about polygamy before DC 132. I suppose there are a number of things that do not reflect well on ancient Israel.

Have you not read the entire Bible, Huck? How can you say that?

Come on man.

Shulem,

There may be a few chapters in Proverbs I missed. You speak as though I am missing something important. I have no idea what. We have discussed animal sacrifice, I agreed it is excessive. I am horrified by the conquest. Even though it did not happen the stories are ugly. Having children celebrate the walls of Jericho tumbling down may be teaching a bad message, etc. Perhaps your inclination for overstatement causes you to misread my inclination for understatement.

[Shulem]

There may be a few chapters in Proverbs I missed. You speak as though I am missing something important. I have no idea what. We have discussed animal sacrifice, I agreed it is excessive. I am horrified by the conquest. Even though it did not happen the stories are ugly. Having children celebrate the walls of Jericho tumbling down may be teaching a bad message, etc. Perhaps your inclination for overstatement causes you to misread my inclination for understatement.

No worries, Huck, it's probably just me being a horse's ass which I often tend to be while arguing religion. Stories of polygamy in the Bible are certainly on full display beginning with Abraham who secured the Egyptian Hagar as his handmaid as directed by God in which Josephus said, "Accordingly Sarai, AT GOD’S COMMAND, brought to his bed one of her handmaidens, a woman of Egyptian descent." Then Jacob took things to a new level concerning polygamy and all this while under God's supervision being blessed in doing so as expressed in the narratives of Genesis chapters 29 & 30). The accounting between king Saul and Nathan the seer is another example to show how God was responsible for polygamy, "I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives."

Polygamy and the House of Israel go hand in hand.

[Quantum1982]

Are there any former Mormons here?

[Shulem]

Are there any former Mormons here?

In your other thread I answered that already.

I'm an exMormon...

[Dr. Shades]

Are there any former Mormons here?

I think there are one or two.