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Quantum1982 wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2026 3:23 pm
These Palestinians have got so many Arab countries that they can go to. Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, UAE, Iran. Why haven't they gone there?
Where should the Christian Palestinians go?

Where should the Palestianian Jews go?
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Quantum1982 wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2026 1:24 pm
Stewardship of the land has been given to them by divine decree.
Can a notarized copy of the decree be uploaded for confirmation of authenticity?

Sounds like a trick, anyway. “Hey, someone said that a chunk of hot, relatively inhospitable desert is where we need to go live in. He promised.” Right.
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Quantum1982 wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2026 5:25 am
Hi Gunnar.

What do you believe should be the solution to the Israeli-Palestinian problem?
Unless both sides are willing to give up their seemingly intractable hatred for each other and come to the realization that both sides would be better off by peacefully coexisting and respectfully dialoging with each other to explore policies that are to their mutual benefit, there can be no satisfactory solution. I am strongly inclined to the conclusion that Zionism and the partition of Israel, however well-intentioned, caused more harm than good to world peace and mutual tolerance, when all things are considered, and helped to create and/or exacerbate the bad situation in the Middle East. I wish both sides could agree on establishing democratic governments that guarantee freedom of speech and equal justice and equality under the law for everyone regardless of religion, race, ethnic background or gender preference.
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Quantum1982 wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2026 1:24 pm
To Gunnar:

I believe the problem is that Palestinians refuse to accept that Jews were in the land of Israel since 4000 BC, effectively meaning they have been there for 6000 years. Stewardship of the land has been given to them by divine decree. They are the descendents of Abraham's son Isaac, with whom the covenant was made. The covenant is everlasting and eternal.

Islam only came into being 600 AD, so to claim that you have access to Jerusalem because of the Al Aqsa mosque is farcical.

Does this make sense?
No! I don't believe that Israelites or Jews were given that land by divine decree any more than I believe in Islam's claim to Jerusalem because of the Al Aqsa Mosque.
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Fri Apr 10, 2026 3:23 pm
I am against lgbtq lifestyle because God's Word condemns it.
By God's Word you obviously mean The Bible. I acknowledge that The Bible is undeniably of such of great influence, both historically and culturally that no one, at least no one living in Western society, can honestly be regarded as adequately educated without at least a passing acquaintance with its contents and that there is much that can be learned from studying it. It is a mixed bag, though. It contains both real history and mythology, both truth and fiction and both great wisdom and nonsense. But, at the risk of shocking or offending you, I don't think that it is the slightest bit more likely to contain the divine, infallible Word of God than anything else that has ever been written.
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Gunnar wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2026 2:35 am
Quantum1982 wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2026 3:23 pm
I am against lgbtq lifestyle because God's Word condemns it.
By God's Word you obviously mean The Bible. I acknowledge that The Bible is undeniably of such of great influence, both historically and culturally that no one, at least no one living in Western society, can honestly be regarded as adequately educated without at least a passing acquaintance with its contents and that there is much that can be learned from studying it. It is a mixed bag, though. It contains both real history and mythology, both truth and fiction and both great wisdom and nonsense. But, at the risk of shocking or offending you, I don't think that it is the slightest bit more likely to contain the divine, infallible Word of God than anything else that has ever been written.
I feel like you should have asked if Jesus would shun or exile lgbtq folks.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2026 3:21 am
I feel like you should have asked if Jesus would shun or exile lgbtq folks.
That's a good point! Thanks! I agree it is not necessarily a given that Jesus would have shunned or exiled lgbtq folks. I know of lgbtq folks who are far more admirable, charitable and even Christ-like than many who claim to be hardcore, born again Christians.
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Gunnar wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2026 3:50 am
Jersey Girl wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2026 3:21 am
I feel like you should have asked if Jesus would shun or exile lgbtq folks.
That's a good point! Thanks! I agree it is not necessarily a given that Jesus would have shunned or exiled lgbtq folks. I know of lgbtq folks who are far more admirable, charitable and Christ-like than many who claim to be hardcore, born again Christians.
Me too, Gunnar. :)
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Quantum1982 wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2026 3:23 pm
I am against lgbtq lifestyle because God's Word condemns it.
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. ~ John 8:7 KJV
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Re: Split: Israel's judgement

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To Gunnar :

You are questioning the authority of Jehovah Himself. One day you will have to stand before God and explain your blasphemous comments.

The atrocities in other parts of the world are a hundred times worse than Israel. What about Congo, Uganda, Rwanda, Syria, Somalia? Are you aware that 50,000 Christians are in concentration camps in North Korea?

Where is your sense of humanity?
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