Come watch my new video— “Did Anyone See the Empty Stone Box? A Response to Josh Gehly” – premieres on Tuesday, 21 April 2026, at 7 pm Mountain Time. This video critically assesses Josh Gehly’s claim that the empty stone box remained exposed for decades after Joseph Smith removed the plates in 1827.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMwhWR124RY
Vogel Responds of Josh Gehly on Stone Box
-
dan vogel
- Valiant B
- Posts: 180
- Joined: Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:37 am
-
Shulem
- God
- Posts: 8858
- Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:40 am
- Location: Facsimile No. 3
Re: Vogel Responds of Josh Gehly on Stone Box
Dan,
This is one of my favorite topics. It should prove very interesting! Thank you for your scholarly pursuits and willingness to freely share your talents.
This is one of my favorite topics. It should prove very interesting! Thank you for your scholarly pursuits and willingness to freely share your talents.
-
Kishkumen
- God
- Posts: 10435
- Joined: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:37 pm
- Location: Cassius University
- Contact:
Re: Vogel Responds of Josh Gehly on Stone Box
Someone actually claims the stone box remained long exposed out in the open for everyone to see!?!?!?
"He disturbs the laws of his country, he forces himself upon women, and he puts men to death without trial.” ~Otanes on the monarch, Herodotus Histories 3.80.
-
dan vogel
- Valiant B
- Posts: 180
- Joined: Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:37 am
-
Kishkumen
- God
- Posts: 10435
- Joined: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:37 pm
- Location: Cassius University
- Contact:
Re: Vogel Responds of Josh Gehly on Stone Box
Hope springs eternal, I guess. Have you ever read Umberto Eco's Baudolino? I am so often reminded of his account of the Holy Grail when I encounter LDS apologetics on gold-plates-related stuff.
"He disturbs the laws of his country, he forces himself upon women, and he puts men to death without trial.” ~Otanes on the monarch, Herodotus Histories 3.80.
-
Shulem
- God
- Posts: 8858
- Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:40 am
- Location: Facsimile No. 3
Re: Vogel Responds of Josh Gehly on Stone Box
I enjoyed Vogel's scholarship and his rebuttal.
The Missing Box is a real problem. The specially prepared stone box made of New York stone and the hole in which old Moroni dug out with his own sweat and tears was simply left by Joe-blow who didn't give a rat's ass about the sacred spot of ground upon which he knelt while beholding an angel of light. He left no marker, no stake, no monument, no nothing. The whole story about the plates and box is just another made up story just like you read about in the Book of Mormon, this, being a prime example.
The Missing Box is a real problem. The specially prepared stone box made of New York stone and the hole in which old Moroni dug out with his own sweat and tears was simply left by Joe-blow who didn't give a rat's ass about the sacred spot of ground upon which he knelt while beholding an angel of light. He left no marker, no stake, no monument, no nothing. The whole story about the plates and box is just another made up story just like you read about in the Book of Mormon, this, being a prime example.