Survey finds 50%-75% of members leave the Church

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Re: Survey finds 50%-75% of members leave the Church

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I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2026 3:15 am
I know, that’s hard to believe. I had to read it twice to make sure I understood it. A mission president whose son left the church, organised and conducted a survey of 15,000 people. Here is the finding from the article about it that prompted the thread title:
About 60% of survey takers were current LDS church members, and 40% were people who had left. The survey’s current members skewed active, meaning they were more likely than average members to attend church regularly and consider themselves devout.

The data showed that it’s the most devout members who have the hardest time understanding and relating to family members and friends who have left.

“People who self-identified as more devout picked the wrong answer twice as often,” Strong said.

For example, 75% of devout respondents greatly underestimated how many people are actually leaving, with most choosing the “zero to 25%” option when the correct answer is more likely in the “50% to 75%” range.
That is a staggering amount.
A BYU professor’s learned insights on retention data: “Analysis: For accurate conclusions about Latter-day Saint retention, look at the best data; Singling out only one poll or survey can lead to mistaken ideas about what’s really happening.”

If only there were one organization out there that tracked data on the following:

1. Members who have ever been sealed to a spouse compared to members currently married or, if single, those whose most recent marriage ended because the spouse died.

2. Endowed members with a current temple recommend.

3. a. Males ages 18-25 serving or who have served a full-time mission.

b. Females ages 18-29 serving or who have served a full-time mission.

4. Adult males holding the Melchizedek Priesthood.

5. Prospective elders advanced to the Melchizedek Priesthood and members advanced during the reporting period.

6. Young men with priesthood office appropriate for their age.

7. Average sacrament meeting attendance.

8. Converts baptized and confirmed in the last 12 months.

9. Melchizedek Priesthood holders attending priesthood, Sunday School, or Primary meetings.

10. Prospective elders attending priesthood, Sunday School, or Primary meetings.

11. Women attending Relief Society, Sunday School, Young Women, or Primary meetings.

12. Young single adults attending priesthood, Relief Society, Sunday School, Young Women, or Primary meetings.

13. Young men attending priesthood and Sunday School meetings.

14. Young women attending Young Women and Sunday School meetings.

15. Youth with a current proxy baptisms and confirmations temple recommend.

16. Children ages 0 through 2 years (as of 1 January).

17. Children ages 3 and older attending Primary.

18. Converts attending at least one sacrament meeting last month.

19. Converts age 12 and older assigned a Church responsibility or calling.

20. Convert males age 12 and older ordained to appropriate priesthood office.

21. Members who are full tithe-payers.

22. Members who were excommunicated or whose names were removed from church records.

23. Births of members (children of record).

24. Deaths of members.

25. Members who cannot be located.

If one organization tracked all of the data above, we could probably get a better picture of retention in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. But that’s probably very wishful thinking. What organization has the structure, records, and resources (money and staff) to do it?
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Re: Survey finds 50%-75% of members leave the Church

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Tom wrote:
Fri May 01, 2026 5:54 pm
If one organization tracked all of the data above, we could probably get a better picture of retention in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. But that’s probably very wishful thinking. What organization has the structure, records, and resources (money and staff) to do it?
Even with the structure, records, and resources in place, it would still be a major undertaking. Just consider the manpower involved, most people don’t volunteer for that kind of work. And if someone is willing to put in that level of unpaid effort, it’s not a stretch to imagine them being asked to take on other duties as well, like routine maintenance or cleaning. :o
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Re: Survey finds 50%-75% of members leave the Church

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Fence Sitter wrote:
Fri May 01, 2026 6:50 pm
Tom wrote:
Fri May 01, 2026 5:54 pm
If one organization tracked all of the data above, we could probably get a better picture of retention in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. But that’s probably very wishful thinking. What organization has the structure, records, and resources (money and staff) to do it?
Even with the structure, records, and resources in place, it would still be a major undertaking. Just consider the manpower involved, most people don’t volunteer for that kind of work. And if someone is willing to put in that level of unpaid effort, it’s not a stretch to imagine them being asked to take on other duties as well, like routine maintenance or cleaning. :o
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Re: Survey finds 50%-75% of members leave the Church

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Peterson is starting to jump on the bandwagon.
I want to state, explicitly, that I believe that we should listen carefully to those who leave the Church, and that we should treat them kindly and with charity. Each case of disaffiliating from the Church and Kingdom of God, each loss of faith and trust, each abandonment of solemn covenants is a tragedy. The heavens weep over them, and so should we. The ramifications extend forward into the eternities as well as into the indefinite future here in mortality.
Well, that’s how he feels about people leaving HIS Church. But if they were to leave, say, Catholicism, or Judaism, to join Mormonism, he’d celebrate them leaving the faith of their tradition. If he hasn’t read the book himself, then is he qualified to comment? In fact, in true Mopologetic fashion, it’s scathed before it’s been read…
Jeff Strong’s Torn is gaining massive attention in LDS circles, starting with strong promotion from the Faith Matters organization, which has always shared the book’s aim to soften the moral demands of Christian faith in order to accommodate a late-modern sensibility of relativistic acceptance.
I will be analyzing this book in more detail, together with Brother Strong’s appearances in Faith Matters videos. But for now it is sufficient to consider with just a little critical attention the Foreword to the book provided by football-great-turned-LDS-progressive Steve Young.
That’s a quote posted by Peterson written by one of his acolytes - Ralph C. Handjob who only got as far as the forward. lol!
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Re: Survey finds 50%-75% of members leave the Church

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I Have Questions wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2026 8:17 am
Peterson is starting to jump on the bandwagon.
I want to state, explicitly, that I believe that we should listen carefully to those who leave the Church, and that we should treat them kindly and with charity. Each case of disaffiliating from the Church and Kingdom of God, each loss of faith and trust, each abandonment of solemn covenants is a tragedy. The heavens weep over them, and so should we. The ramifications extend forward into the eternities as well as into the indefinite future here in mortality.
Well, that’s how he feels about people leaving HIS Church. But if they were to leave, say, Catholicism, or Judaism, to join Mormonism, he’d celebrate them leaving the faith of their tradition. If he hasn’t read the book himself, then is he qualified to comment? In fact, in true Mopologetic fashion, it’s scathed before it’s been read…
Jeff Strong’s Torn is gaining massive attention in LDS circles, starting with strong promotion from the Faith Matters organization, which has always shared the book’s aim to soften the moral demands of Christian faith in order to accommodate a late-modern sensibility of relativistic acceptance.
I will be analyzing this book in more detail, together with Brother Strong’s appearances in Faith Matters videos. But for now it is sufficient to consider with just a little critical attention the Foreword to the book provided by football-great-turned-LDS-progressive Steve Young.
That’s a quote posted by Peterson written by one of his acolytes - Ralph C. Handjob who only got as far as the forward. lol!
Is judging a book by its foreword superior to judging by the cover?
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Re: Survey finds 50%-75% of members leave the Church

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I feel with more and more simple exposure to true Biblical Christianity, that Mormons are seeing the shortcomings of Mormonism and just how pagan based it actually is. There certainly are those that remain in the LDS church because they are convinced it is true. But I'm just as certain that there are those (hopefully not many) that remain in the LDS church to take advantage of any perks they may observe within that organization...
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