What is the War's Cost

[Philo Sofee]

Ajax: but thanks to Democrat fearmongering in an effort to sabotage the Trump 1 economy, we didn't fare so well economically.

So is this unprovoked illegal war against a country that was not threatening America that has ruined America's economy under Trump (AGAIN!) also Sleepy Joe's fault? Oh and shall we throw in Obama as well since he too needs to be accused? Don't tell me, let me guess, Trump's causing the Strait of Hormuz to close is most certainly Joe Biden's fault, right? Started while Trump was President, yet Biden gets the blame? Anyone responsible except for the idiot who caused it right Ajax?

[Philo Sofee]

LOL! You're not willing to "sacrifice" to the extent of paying your taxes, and yet defend price spikes that are getting you nothing. We've had to educate you dozens of times on how oil economics works. We mostly consume the oil we produce. If China starts buying our oil, that raises your price at the pump and the airline ticket counter. Are you an oil executive? Do you hold millions in oil stocks? If not, you're sacrificing to put money oil the pocket of oil companies. That makes you a loser.

The dollar is already being replaced by the Yuan. Trump has had to go begging to China with business leaders traveling thousands of miles to genuflect at Xi's feet. Trump taught China that the US is a paper tiger when it imposed tariffs, then backed off when China threatened to cut off exports of rare minerals. Trump taught Iran that the US is a paper tiger by teaching it that it can fight off US weaponry with much cheaper missiles and drones. The closure of the Strait of Hormuz showed the world that there is no such thing as fossil fuel independence. Oil is an internationally traded commodity. Iran knows that we are dependent, not just on oil, but on the price of oil. We are much less secure today than we were when use of military force was a bargaining chip that Iran did not know the value of.

The evidence was clear that Iran was not planning a nuclear weapon. It was no threat to the U.S. We had plenty of time to negotiate an agreement with Iran that would have been more favorable to us than what we are likely to end up with. Before Trump's war, control of the Strait was only a theoretical bargaining chip for Iran. Now we've proved to them that they can control the strait. That theoretical chip now is a real chip with value that Iran could only have dreamed of three months ago.

The world has been significantly destabilized by Trump's war. That means we are all less safe, not more.

You don't even understand Trump's positions, to the extent he has them. He doesn't want the U.S. to be the lone superpower. He wants to go back to spheres of influence, with the CCP controlling Asia and Putin controlling Europe. Each gets to dominate its own neighborhood.

I paid for $5/ggallon under Biden for futile environmentalism nonsense, open borders, and welfare queens. I'm happy to pay it to advance my country to get rid of the Ayatollahs and put Russia and China in their place.

The 2022 gas spike was driven primarily by global oil market shocks, especially after Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022, rather than by a single domestic policy. But Biden’s policies and messaging are part of the political debate because they may have influenced supply expectations and long-term investment behavior. The entire difference is Donald Trump is directly responsible for the high gas prices because he CHOSE to go to war when America was not threatened. Biden didn't do that.

[Chap]

Really? It looks like all those things to you?

Maybe it's all in the word "offers". The question is whether Trump's way of conducting this war is remotely likely to deliver those benefits. At the moment, the war as Trump is conducting it seems to be having opposite effects to those you mention.

I'm sure many said the same of WW2. Nothing of worth is achieved without sacrifice. China is now buying American oil. They can't get oil from Iran or Venezuela anymore. America's position in the world is stronger than ever. There's no more talk of BRICs replacing the dollar. The US as the lone superpower is far better for America and the world than parts of the world dominated by the CCP, Putin, or Maduro.

For the USA, WW2 was not a war of choice. They were forced into joining it because Japan attacked Pearl Haror without warning, followed immediately by a declaration of war against the USA by Hitler's Germany. The USA had to fight and win for the sake of national survival. Nobody said "This war will bring worthwhile advantages to the USA, so on balance let's fight it."

Someone has already explained to you that if China starts buying oil produced in the USA, the price for American consumers will rise, while the bosses of oil companies will make shedloads of money. (by the way, those bosses are not socialists, are they?

You say "America's position in the world is stronger than ever.". Er, really?

[canpakes]

As Res mentions, none of those three things had anything to do with elevated gas prices years go. That was your friend Putin’s doing, with his attack on Ukraine causing the escalation.

As Res mentioned, the scamdemic stimulus response helped raise gasoline and inflation in the US. I was never in favor of forbidding young healthy people from going to work during the scamdemic.

In fact, the initial pandemic response - including your so-called ‘lockdowns’ occurring during Trump’s first round in office - saw people driving less, and a significant drop in fuel costs due to reduced demand nationwide.

You can look at this yourself via the EIS website tracking average cost across the US for a gallon of gas:

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafH ... us_dpg&f=m

You’ll also note that gas prices began to rise after Putin marched into Ukraine, creasting a half-year after that.

Based on your own logic, you have Biden to thank for whatever policies brought gas prices down after Putin’s invasion pushed them up.

And don’t start trying to claim that there was a ‘war on oil’. When Biden left office, the US was producing more domestic oil than at any time during the Trump presidency. You can look that one up on the EIA website, too. Let me know if you need help doing so.

On the plus side, you refused to rise to the challenge of affirming that you actually believe that ‘welfare queens’ drove up the cost of fuel, so you at least seem to be tacitly acknowledging that you’re just winging here it with attempts at bad propaganda.

[Doctor Steuss]

I paid for $5/ggallon under Biden for futile environmentalism nonsense, open borders, and welfare queens. I'm happy to pay it to advance my country to get rid of the Ayatollahs and put Russia and China in their place.

The vast majority of the increased fuel prices, and inflation, for over half of Biden's presidency were because of Trump's OPEC 2020 "deal." You can literally watch inflation drop the moment the "deal" ended. Your President was dog-walked by the Ayatollahs and Russia as retribution for his bone-headed Syrian double-cross, and made to look like a little bitch, and all of us paid the price, and as a result you gave him even more of your fealty and gulped up the reality-detached idiotic propaganda that it was Biden's fault that gas prices increased.

I'll never understand why MAGA people delight in the disdain that the movement has for the intelligence of its supporters. This level of embraced incompetence can only be achieved through perpetual effort to actively try to outdo the god-emperor at being pathologically ignorant.

The election was an open book test, and you're still managing to fail after being bludgeoned by the crib sheet.



The blue line is inflation. The yellow highlighted time period is when your stable genius destroyed our economy, skyrocketed gas prices, and made everything cost more because he's an irredeemable buffoon (i.e. the time period that his OPEC 2020 "deal" was active). It's black-and-white (or yellow and blue) that Trump caused all of the things you blame Biden for. The second-hand embarrassment is painful.