14,000 food stamp recipients own luxury vehicles

[Some Schmo]

Perhaps your church's reaction and bs they shoved at Trump drove enough independents to vote for the charlatan?

This will forever be the most stunningly idiotic and emotionally stunted reason for choosing who to vote for.

Prove me wrong.

And that's assuming the premise itself isn't completely idiotic.

[Res Ipsa]

Why do you have to sell your soul to any person?

Didn't you sell your soul to the democrats?

Come on, counselor. You're going to break that table you're pounding. I don't sell my soul to anyone, much less the Democratic Party. If you really think otherwise, show me the evidence. Link me some posts.

Ajax 18 and his worship of the warmonger murderer / fraudster doesn't justify your sale of your soul.

I agree that it wouldn't, but try and find some post of mine that shows anything like Ajax's unflagging hero worship of Trump towards anyone. You won't.

To you, seems like everything those heroes do is totally amazing in your opinion. Democrats near deity, Republicans Satanic, right? For years you've shoved their slop on this site, pushed whatever conspiracy theory they supported, and had the vaccine church meeting with your cohorts together with a vaccine testimony meeting.

Which heroes? C'mon, counselor. Show the evidence. Can you find me posting images of Obama as Jesus? Or a golden statue of Pelosi? You won't because you can't. But I get what you're sore at me about. You're the resident conspiracy theorist here, not me. And you're butthurt because I've called you out when you pushed nonsense right-wing conspiracy theories here. Remember Uranium One?

And now you've shown yourself to be an anti-science crank on vaccines. I guess it fits with your conspiracy gullibility. I do and have always followed the science on vaccinations. Not the deceptive pseudoscience pushed by cranks like Kennedy. That you equate science with religion speaks volumes.

Why don't you criticize the democrats right now for everyone?

Why? Your whole rant here is in response to me asking a politically neutral question to Ajax. Do you think that slavish worship of a politician is a good thing? No? Then you and I are in complete agreement on what I actually said. Why did that simple sentence generate this tantrum?

Perhaps your church's reaction and bs they shoved at Trump drove enough independents to vote for the charlatan? Maybe you and your democrat church indirectly caused Trump and the bs where we find ourselves??? You and your cohorts here claim to be so smart, yet, you and posters here don't realize that too much bs on an idiot makes a martyr.

I think this is one of the fundamental points of disagreement between the two of us. You blame the Democratic Party for everything bad that anyone does. Never the Republican Party. I think independents are adults that are responsible for their own choices. Trump is only a "martyr" among folks like Ajax who would have voted for him even if he had sex with a 14 year old in Times Square. We have a pretty good idea through polling why self-identified independents voted for Trump: the economy and immigration.

Show us that you haven't sold your soul to them.

No way, counselor. You have the burden of proof on that one. Show me posts with the same kind of slavish worship of Trump that Ajax shows toward Trump. I'll be right here.

They went too far and are under the thumb of the same billionaire class you claim to loath, or maybe you don't. Maybe do that post-mortem that the democrat leaders won't disclose. It'll be good for your soul.

Who are the "they" and where did they go that was "too far?" Was there probable cause to conclude that Trump broke the law? I think there was. From there, I think there was an important principle to establish: the president is not above the law. Instead, Trump and the Republican Party were taught that they could do anything with impunity, leading to the most corrupt administration in history. I criticize Garland and the Democratic Party for not getting off the dime and investigating and prosecutor sooner, rather than being shamed into prosecuting cases by the January 6 Commission. That delay, and the broad presidential immunity created by the Supreme Court, led directly to our present situation, where the President steals from the taxpayers to financially reward people who break the law for him. Once corruption gets embedded in the government, it's a nightmare to root out. And it's well on the way to becoming embedded now.

I don't "loathe" the billionaire class. "Loathing" doesn't feed the bulldog. But you and I are in complete agreement that both of our major political parties are controlled by the billionaire class. And we both agree that control is a bad thing. Well, more like a catastrophic thing. I believe I've gone on record here advocating reforming the election system to give third parties a chance to get elected. The main one I've talked about is some form of ranked choice voting, eliminating the "I don't want to waste my vote" problem. There are other reasonable and possible reforms that would put third parties on a more equal footing with the Relief Society and the Ds. I'm all for those. I definitely think we need campaign finance reform, although I'm not sure we can because of Citizens United. That may take amending the constitution, and neither party has an incentive to fix the problem.

I heard something yesterday about the post-mortem: it can't be released because it doesn't exist. The people who were in charge of it weren't competent enough to get it done. That would be emblematic of the whole election. Even if that's true, the party should have finished the job (with new writers if necessary) and released it. Promising transparency and then breaking the promise is harmful BS.

My own opinion. The biggest context that needs to be considered was the worldwide anti-incumbent wave that resulted from the inflationary spike caused by the post-COVID economic recovery. Even if Ds had run a perfect campaign, I'm not sure they could have won given the state of the economy.
And the Ds ran a far from perfect campaign. Hindsight is 20-20, but the party made an unconscionable mistake in not holding Biden to his one-term promise. The dead hand of aging boomers on the party led them to favor Biden instead of scrutinizing him and his capacity to perform as president. Once Biden withdrew, I think the Ds were sunk. Changing horses mid-stream always signals incompetence and weakness. That was compounded by not letting Harris distance herself from Biden on both immigration and the economy. The voters were clearly not happy with Biden in both of those policy areas, and Harris needed to have a specific program of change in both areas. But, as I understand it, Biden was more interested in protecting his legacy than in getting Harris elected. And Harris didn't have the party support to say FU, I'm doing what I need to do to win.

I don't think the issues you ranted about -- the criminal cases against Trump -- were a factor. Do you have polling data that shows independents decided not to vote for Harris because of martyr Trump?

I think you and I share the same frustration about issues like prosecuting Trump get in the way of reforms that would help 90% of Americans. But I do think the Ds are going to have to prosecute corruption if they come back into power. The rule of law has been seriously damaged, and it's going to take time and effort to restore it.

You won't though.

Show's how bad you are at predicting. On the other hand, I'm sure you won't back up your personal accusations with my past posts.

I'll give you style points for the rant, but it's clear you don't have the faintest idea of my posting history.

[Res Ipsa]

Perhaps your church's reaction and bs they shoved at Trump drove enough independents to vote for the charlatan?

This will forever be the most stunningly idiotic and emotionally stunted reason for choosing who to vote for.

Prove me wrong.

It does show a crazy amount of contempt for independent voters.

[ajax18]

Can you imagine being so daft that you think Trump cares about anyone but himself? How brain damaged is that? How much of reality do you have to ignore or not understand for that to be your opinion?

I mean, we're talking simplistic, baseline consciousness (which is what I attribute to bugs and worms).

It's not surprising, however. If you have an antagonistic attitude toward education like the GOP has, you're signing up to be a damned ignoramus, which is why MAGAtes are damned ignoramuses.

MAGA seems to believe that if a billionaire who scams working people, commits fraud, and hires illegals at his properties simply tells his voters in coded talk that he hates the people he’s hiring, then he must be serious, as MAGA likes hearing that coded ‘I hate immigrants’ stuff. Better yet, though, is that the billionaire validates their own prejudices, which is all that the billionaire needs to do, to then do whatever he wants to them and anyone else, including scamming working people, committing fraud and hiring illegals at his properties.

MAGA people will never change, because their feelings, however warped and insecure they may be, are more important to them than any truth or reality.

Illegal border crossings are down 94%. It turns out we didn't need more laws, nor another act of Congress. We just needed Donald Trump to do what no other Republican president before him was willing to do. Why would I care if he hired an illegal immigrant in the past? He has enforced the border when all who came before him could not or would not do it.

[Some Schmo]

This will forever be the most stunningly idiotic and emotionally stunted reason for choosing who to vote for.

Prove me wrong.

It does show a crazy amount of contempt for independent voters.

If anyone actually did vote out of idiotic spite, they were already a MAGAte, because they relate to and operate on the same immature emotional level as Trump himself. I am convinced that his most rabid fans are emotionally stunted just like Trump.

[canpakes]

MAGA seems to believe that if a billionaire who scams working people, commits fraud, and hires illegals at his properties simply tells his voters in coded talk that he hates the people he’s hiring, then he must be serious, as MAGA likes hearing that coded ‘I hate immigrants’ stuff. Better yet, though, is that the billionaire validates their own prejudices, which is all that the billionaire needs to do, to then do whatever he wants to them and anyone else, including scamming working people, committing fraud and hiring illegals at his properties.

MAGA people will never change, because their feelings, however warped and insecure they may be, are more important to them than any truth or reality.

Illegal border crossings are down 94%. It turns out we didn't need more laws, nor another act of Congress. We just needed Donald Trump to do what no other Republican president before him was willing to do. Why would I care if he hired an illegal immigrant in the past? He has enforced the border when all who came before him could not or would not do it.

Hey, if that’s the most important thing to you, making sure that no one else can get into the country, because they were stupid enough to be born elsewhere. That says a lot about their worthiness as human beings, right?

To me, that’s not worth electing a makeup-caked fellow known for scamming thousands of Americans, collecting at least 34 fraud convictions, running multiple corrupt memecoin schemes for access, uncontrolled lying, cheating on three ex-wives while groping random passers-by, skimming billions of taxpayer dollars to pad his accounts, whining about stolen elections that weren’t, hiring idiots into the Administration based on how hard those idiots suck up to him, being found guilty of sexual assault at least once, setting policy according to which states are ‘blue’ or ‘red’, and for having scads of friends littering the pages of the Epstein files, just so that he could spend his days whining about people who didn’t vote for him or bitching about transgender folks, flailing about with tariffs that have destroyed some of our export markets, demonstrating that he’s clueless about economics as prices on everything continue to rise, and letting us spend tens of billions of dollars while burning through half of our missile stocks in order to achieve an unsatisfactory stalemate against a second-rate Middle Eastern country using $20K drones and fishing boats against us, while his personal flailing increases worldwide inflation for billions of other folks in the process.

All for deporting illegal entrants at a rate not too different than Obama’s record.

So, yeah. I don’t think that the trade-off is worth it, and I’ll leave the sycophantic adulation of Trump to MAGA, especially since I don’t need to idolize an emotionally-stunted ass with a racism problem in order to feel better about anything. But, I’m just odd like that.

[Doctor Steuss]

Illegal border crossings are down 94%. It turns out we didn't need more laws, nor another act of Congress. We just needed Donald Trump to do what no other Republican president before him was willing to do. Why would I care if he hired an illegal immigrant in the past? He has enforced the border when all who came before him could not or would not do it.

It's pretty incredible what can be accomplished when you don't have a major political party, and its massive propaganda network, actively working against the current administration by broadcasting a lie to the international community that the border is "open."

Hey, remind me again what Presidential administration rolled out the border app that facilitated crossings, that Donald Trump said only an idiotic Presidency would roll out?



(Hint: It was Trump's presidency that created it... like most of the time, he's the person he thinks is an idiot.)

[Some Schmo]

(Hint: It was Trump's presidency that created it... like most of the time, he's the person he thinks is an idiot.)

If he thinks that he's an idiot (and I suspect somewhere in that addled, rotting organ he calls a brain, he knows it*), it's one of the few times he's honest with himself.

*I have a sense that he's keenly aware of his exhausting list of flaws, because they are expressed whenever criticizing others. I mean, how often does one need to hypocritically accuse others of the problems one is most known for before you go, "Oh yeah, this guy's only weapon is applying his own issues to everyone else" and stop considering anything he says as valid?

[Res Ipsa]

Illegal border crossings are down 94%. It turns out we didn't need more laws, nor another act of Congress. We just needed Donald Trump to do what no other Republican president before him was willing to do. Why would I care if he hired an illegal immigrant in the past? He has enforced the border when all who came before him could not or would not do it.

It's pretty incredible what can be accomplished when you don't have a major political party, and its massive propaganda network, actively working against the current administration by broadcasting a lie to the international community that the border is "open."

Hey, remind me again what Presidential administration rolled out the border app that facilitated crossings, that Donald Trump said only an idiotic Presidency would roll out?



(Hint: It was Trump's presidency that created it... like most of the time, he's the person he thinks is an idiot.)

Well, sorta. It was created under Trump, but it was Biden who expanded the app for use by asylum seekers.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBP_One#: ... m%20claims.

[ajax18]

So, yeah. I don’t think that the trade-off is worth it,

It's not even a tradeoff. It's your party that demanded we leave the border wide open and charge it to the taxpayers tab. It's my party that until Donald Trump was too weak to stop you.