Do we all agree now that UBI is the right thing to do?

[Philo Sofee]

So THEY decide how much anyoner gets, and when? And if one has an argument with them or disagrees with an action then is their paycheck cut off? I ABSOLUTELY DETEST THIS TOTAL CONTROL OF US. IT IS POSITIVELY ****SLAVERY**** They tell us WhAT to do or don't get our money. They tell us where to go or we don't get our money. We want to buy something and THEY say no, too expensive? THIS IS THE DEATH OF ALL FREEDOM. You're going to go along with the billionaires enslaving us?!?!? ARE YOU F*****G KIDDING?! Well why not let them build 20 AI centers in EVERY state and total takeover of ALL resources so they get richer and we get literally nothing.

Everyone needs to calm down around here. Looks like you, too. Remember. We're in a marathon.

Agreed, but I don't want a marathon of slavery and lost freedom and rights because some billionaire is a self appointed money funder of 350,000,000 other people. I'll make my own money thank you.

[Jersey Girl]

Everyone needs to calm down around here. Looks like you, too. Remember. We're in a marathon.

Agreed, but I don't want a marathon of slavery and lost freedom and rights because some billionaire is a self appointed money funder of 350,000,000 other people. I'll make my own money thank you.

I think we're gonna be okay.

[Gadianton]

So THEY decide how much anyoner gets, and when? And if one has an argument with them or disagrees with an action then is their paycheck cut off?

Well, like I said, I'm giving their narrative the benefit of the doubt. If AI takes all our jobs, then we would be quite lucky to get the 1,000 dollars a month. But I don't see that as realistic. How lucky we'd be if the price of a relative 1k a month was bought by good behavior towards the overlords.

Assuming that their own AI will develop such power, a bet I give small odds, then they will never give us a dime. The world will be divided up between AI warlords and their entire investment will revolve around defending themselves from each other, while the rest of the 99.999 percent humanity is squeezed into whatever parts of the world not currently needed for their efforts and left to fend for ourselves in pre-modern fashion. If we keep our cannibalism and self-destruction to ourselves, they leave us alone and let us starve or kill each other naturally. If we get any funny ideas and rise up, they send armies of robot dogs and drones to wipe out a few thousand at a time.

[Dr. Shades]

So THEY decide how much anyoner gets, and when? And if one has an argument with them or disagrees with an action then is their paycheck cut off? I ABSOLUTELY DETEST THIS TOTAL CONTROL OF US. IT IS POSITIVELY ****SLAVERY**** They tell us WhAT to do or don't get our money. They tell us where to go or we don't get our money. We want to buy something and THEY say no, too expensive? THIS IS THE DEATH OF ALL FREEDOM. You're going to go along with the billionaires enslaving us?!?!? ARE YOU F*****G KIDDING?! Well why not let them build 20 AI centers in EVERY state and total takeover of ALL resources so they get richer and we get literally nothing.

Are you forgetting? America is a farm, and we are someone else's property.

[ajax18]

Don’t they do this now? We just call it salary and wages paid for a job.

This is different. We won't have any jobs, and THEY will determine how much we get. I have no idea how that will work. What if they just do a flat rate of $1,000/month based on good behavior as THEY define it? Just an example. No overtime, no extra work available with side jobs etc. Just ONE way to get money, not based on skill or loyalty through time of sticking with a job, just on what THEY think you NEED. And if you do something they don't like, then no money for you this entire month. It's a nightmare scenario in my opinion.

I think even more people would be faking some kind of disability than we see now under such a system. How many people are going to go to work every day. How many people are going to fight through sickness and ailments out purely altruistic motives? I didn't think it possible but you might actually see more people gaming the social security/disability system than you see now.

[ajax18]

So THEY decide how much anyoner gets, and when? And if one has an argument with them or disagrees with an action then is their paycheck cut off?

Well, like I said, I'm giving their narrative the benefit of the doubt. If AI takes all our jobs, then we would be quite lucky to get the 1,000 dollars a month. But I don't see that as realistic. How lucky we'd be if the price of a relative 1k a month was bought by good behavior towards the overlords.

Assuming that their own AI will develop such power, a bet I give small odds, then they will never give us a dime. The world will be divided up between AI warlords and their entire investment will revolve around defending themselves from each other, while the rest of the 99.999 percent humanity is squeezed into whatever parts of the world not currently needed for their efforts and left to fend for ourselves in pre-modern fashion. If we keep our cannibalism and self-destruction to ourselves, they leave us alone and let us starve or kill each other naturally. If we get any funny ideas and rise up, they send armies of robot dogs and drones to wipe out a few thousand at a time.

Honest question Gad, what is different about the AI situation in the near future from the Luddites before the industrial revolution? Wouldn't the billionaire overlords just spend and invest their money they saved through AI, thus opening up new jobs and industries for human beings?