Excommunicated By Trump: Military Reclassifies Mormon Church As Non-Christian

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Re: Excommunicated By Trump: Military Reclassifies Mormon Church As Non-Christian

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Tom wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2026 1:03 am
BasedMikeLee is learning that pandering to Christian Nationalists does not win the Mormon Church any friends in the Trump Administration.

https://x.com/basedmikelee/status/20598 ... 79772?s=46

If Lee wants to convince the Trump Administration to change the listing, he should pull his [t]rump card by quoting 2 Nephi 25:26: “And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.”
Great idea! I just hope BasedMikeLee doesn't try to convince the Trump Administration with this quote:

"Joseph Smith holds the keys of this last dispensation, and is now engaged behind the vail in the great work of the last days... no man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith. From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding-up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are—I with you and you with me. I cannot go there without his consent." Journal of Discourses (Volume 7, page 289).

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"As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be." -- Lorenzo Snow
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Re: Excommunicated By Trump: Military Reclassifies Mormon Church As Non-Christian

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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2026 1:30 am
Tom wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2026 1:03 am
BasedMikeLee is learning that pandering to Christian Nationalists does not win the Mormon Church any friends in the Trump Administration.

https://x.com/basedmikelee/status/20598 ... 79772?s=46

If Lee wants to convince the Trump Administration to change the listing, he should pull his [t]rump card by quoting 2 Nephi 25:26: “And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.”
Great idea! I just hope BasedMikeLee doesn't try to convince the Trump Administration with this quote:

"Joseph Smith holds the keys of this last dispensation, and is now engaged behind the vail in the great work of the last days... no man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith. From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding-up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are—I with you and you with me. I cannot go there without his consent." Journal of Discourses (Volume 7, page 289).

or

"As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be." -- Lorenzo Snow
Based. Here’s another:
There have been various species of idolatry in different ages of the world. The sun, moon, stars, beasts, crocodiles, frightful serpents, images of wood, of stone, and of brass, have been erected into gods, and worshipped by innumerable multitudes.

But the system of idolatry, invented by modern christianity, far surpasses in absurdity anything that we have ever heard of. One of the celebrated worshippers of this newly-discovered god [Isaac Taylor], in his "Physical Theory of Another Life," says, "A disembodied spirit, or, we should rather say, an unembodied spirit, or sheer mind, is NO WHERE. Place is a relation belonging to extension; and extension is a property of matter: but that which is wholly abstracted from matter, and in speaking of which we deny that it has any property in common therewith, can in itself be subject to none of its conditions; and we might as well say of a pure spirit that it is hard, heavy, or red, or that it is a cubic foot in dimensions, as say that it is here or there. It is only in a popular and improper sense that any such affirmation is made concerning the Infinite Spirit, or that we speak of God as every where present. God is in every place in a sense, altogether incomprehensible by finite minds, inasmuch as his relation to space and extension is peculiar to infinitude. Using the terms as we use them of ourselves, God is not here or there, any more than he exists now and then."

This species of idolatry, according to the foregoing quotations, approaches so near to Atheism, that no one can tell the difference. Reader, can you see the difference? A god "without a body!" A god "without parts!" A god that cannot be "here or there!" A god that is "NO WHERE!" A god that cannot exist "NOW and THEN!" A god that exists in NO TIME! A god that has no extension—no "parts"—no conceivable relation to time or space! O, blush for modern christianity!—a pious name for Atheism! Some perhaps may think that I have not sufficient charity. But why should I have charity for a god that has no "parts"—no relation to space? Let him first have charity for himself. But this would be impossible; for he is a god "without passions." He can have no charity nor love for himself nor any one else. There is no danger of offending him; for a passionless god is not capable of anger. One of the persons of this imaginary god is said to have been crucified. But this must be a sad mistake; for it would be impossible to crucify a portion of something that had no "parts."

The reason, then, why the people have not received any word from the Great King, is because they have petitioned the wrong god. Would you expect her majesty, the queen of England, to answer your petition if it were directed to some African prince? Would you expect the God of heaven to answer a petition that was addressed to a Hindoo god? If, then, your petitions are addressed to the bodiless, passionless god of modern christianity, you must not be surprised if the true God does not pay any attention to it. You need not expect that the true God will make any reply to petitions offered to any other being….

All the modern christian churches, who deny new revelation, have no more authority to preach, baptize, or administer any other ordinance of the gospel than the idolatrous Hindoos have; indeed all their administrations are worse than in vain—they are a solemn mockery in the sight of God. It is a grievous sin in the sight of God for any man to presume to baptize, unless God has authorized him by new revelation to baptize in his name. Saul, the king of Israel, lost his kingdom because he assumed the authority that did not belong to him (I Sam. xiii. 8-15.) Another king of Israel was smote with leprosy until the day of his death, because he attempted to administer an ordinance without being called and authorized (2 Chron. xxvi. 16-22.) So all the baptisms and sacraments administered by modern christian churches who have done away new revelation, are an abomination in the sight of God. All persons who shall suffer themselves to be baptized, or partake of these ordinances through the administration of these illegal unauthorized persons, after having been duly warned of the evil thereof, will bring themselves under great condemnation before God, and unless they repent of that sin they can in no wise be saved.
~Orson Pratt, The Kingdom of God (paragraphing added for readability)

I see that BasedMikeLee trotted out the Christus logo of 2020 and wrote:
If only we, as Latter-day Saints, belonged to a church that had “Jesus Christ” in its name and His image in its logo …

Oh wait[.]
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Mormons just found out what side they'll be on when the Christian Nationalists get their fantasy theocracy.
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Bond wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2026 3:42 am
Mormons just found out what side they'll be on when the Christian Nationalists get their fantasy theocracy.
Fr, all that pandering, all that money spent, all those conferences, all those national prayer breakfasts, and all those Mormon ‘chaplains’ in the military serving across decades were wiped away in Project 2025.

Mormons now know where they stand with the Republican Party and the Nű Confederacy. They are, of course, welcome in the Democratic Party and will be recognized as Christians in the Democratic Party. Will the the scales from their eyes drop?
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Mormon chaplains are allowed to serve and lead. While at JAWS, the Mormon chaplain assigned to the school held a weekly Bible study; the topic while I was there was “Joseph in Egypt.” I didn’t attend, because while I could see myself nodding along for most of the discussion, I was sure there would come a point where I’d disagree, and rather than be contentious in a military-sanctioned event, I chose to not attend.

I’d interpret the situation that while being “allowed to participate,” that acceptance isn’t the same thing as being fully trusted or embraced. Many Christians would likely attend a Baptist or Catholic Bible study without a second thought, but would hesitate at a Mormon-led study for the same reason they might hesitate at one led by a Muslim or Hindu—they expect significant differences.

I suppose it would sting to not be fully accepted or trusted, but for decades members held themselves apart as a matter of course. It seems odd that this has become a source of contention. If it’s acceptable for Mormons to say, “we’re not just another denomination,” it shouldn’t be shocking when other Christians reply, “agreed.”
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military.com wrote:
  • Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (CJ)

I think it was an oversite in which the military is aware that Mormons want to be referred by their proper name rather than by nicknames. Interestingly, they left of the "The" at the beginning of the title and omitted the hyphen (-day) and improperly capitalized the word "Day". No question about it, the government screwed up and will have to correct the spelling of the name of the Church and list it as:
  • Christian
An apology is certainly forthcoming.
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Shulem wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2026 2:33 pm
military.com wrote:
  • Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (CJ)

I think it was an oversite in which the military is aware that Mormons want to be referred by their proper name rather than by nicknames. Interestingly, they left of the "The" at the beginning of the title and omitted the hyphen (-day) and improperly capitalized the word "Day". No question about it, the government screwed up and will have to correct the spelling of the name of the Church and list it as:
  • Christian
An apology is certainly forthcoming.
Agreed
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Limnor wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2026 2:38 pm
Agreed

There's no question that sensibilities in the military have decreased under Trump's regime. In my opinion the military is facing difficult times and is becoming increasingly divided. It could become very serious if not checked. Also, because of separation between Church and State, it is NOT up to the military to decide who is Christian and who is not based on doctrinal differences between the sects. If the Mormons say they are "Christians" then so be it. The government has no right to counter that because it's not their job.

The Mormons will certainly prevail in this case as well they should.
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2026 2:35 am
...Trump and Hegseth.

They will take a lot of heat from this mistake and Trump will be forced to blame it on Hegseth. This could get Hegseth thrown under the bus or at least reprimanded by his incompetent boss who is leading this country into hell.

Trump is the worst thing that ever happened to America.
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Shulem wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2026 2:53 pm
Limnor wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2026 2:38 pm
Agreed

There's no question that sensibilities in the military have decreased under Trump's regime. In my opinion the military is facing difficult times and is becoming increasingly divided. It could become very serious if not checked. Also, because of separation between Church and State, it is NOT up to the military to decide who is Christian and who is not based on doctrinal differences between the sects. If the Mormons say they are "Christians" then so be it. The government has no right to counter that because it's not their job.

The Mormons will certainly prevail in this case as well they should.
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