Trump Bombed Iranian Nuclear Site Fordo Today. Are We in WW 3?

[Gadianton]

I’ve lived through wildly swinging policy changes. One of the challenges is to remain apolitical, serving elected civilian leadership regardless of personal views on a given policy.

How much is dictated by the ideology of the leader and how much the deep state? For instance, details may have been different, but would Kamala have also been pressured to bomb Iran?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Japanese internment camps, torture interrogation techniques in Iraq, the Vietnam strategy, firing on laborers, and so forth. Lots and lots examples of legal policies and orders being so heinous that noncompliance would’ve been the right thing to do.

It’s incumbent on military officers to be the conscience of their country when the civilians over them are acting immorally, albeit legally. Legality is not equal to right and wrong in many cases.

The risk is that it sounds appropriate when we consider officers resisting policies we oppose. It becomes much less appropriate when officers resist policies we support.

I’ve lived through wildly swinging policy changes. One of the challenges is to remain apolitical, serving elected civilian leadership regardless of personal views on a given policy.

I was just following orders doesn’t fly.

[Limnor]

I’ve lived through wildly swinging policy changes. One of the challenges is to remain apolitical, serving elected civilian leadership regardless of personal views on a given policy.

How much is dictated by the ideology of the leader and how much the deep state? For instance, details may have been different, but would Kamala have also been pressured to bomb Iran?

The “deep state” commentary, from the inside, looks a lot less threatening or conspiratorial than as painted.

Ironically, what we’ve discussed as resistance to legal orders could be described as the “deep state” from other quarters, but I’d say it’s a lot less dramatic than that—it seems more like people arguing their positions and the leader deciding. So you’ll get competing threat assessments, resource assessments, references to plans already on the shelf, and other points all seen from many points of view.

Sure, I think there may have been pressure to on Harris to attack Iran, but at the end of the day it would have been hers to approach and shape. She may have presented her plan to Congress, for example. She could always fire those in opposition to her policies.

I’d recommend following Elbridge Colby as an advisor to Trump.

[Limnor]

The risk is that it sounds appropriate when we consider officers resisting policies we oppose. It becomes much less appropriate when officers resist policies we support.

I’ve lived through wildly swinging policy changes. One of the challenges is to remain apolitical, serving elected civilian leadership regardless of personal views on a given policy.

I was just following orders doesn’t fly.

That’s a fair point. I’m just pointing out that sometimes it’s more complicated than in what might be seen as simpler cases. My Lai is a good example.