bill4long wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2026 10:21 pm
LittleNipper wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2026 7:12 pm
Daniel 9:24-27: The prophecy outlines "seventy weeks" and mentions an anointed one being cut off. Implying the reinstatement of sacrifices and offerings, which requires a physical Temple structure at Jerusalem.
Matthew 24:15: Jesus refers to the "abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place". This implies a physical, functioning Temple will exist in the end times where an anti-God figure will desecrate the sanctuary.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4: The Apostle Paul speaks of the "man of lawlessness" who will oppose God and "sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God."Revelation 11:1-2: The Apostle John is told to measure the temple of God and the altar, suggesting a physical structure will exist during the first half of the seven-year tribulation period.
You show over and over that you don't have a deep handle on the topics in this thread. You're just regurgitating worn out and debunked Christian apologetics. Rabbi Tovia Singer has handily demolished this particular Christian apologetic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSWpSEyh2zU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p57CiVtdHFY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrTTymgETn8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjKLYEo2AMk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjF3fW9mSmY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96RgQLeOS0Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0Sq6qvlmeM
And many more
Moreover, while the New Testament writers referred to Daniel 9, where they have Jesus warn about the
Abomination that Makes Desolate, what they
never do is refer to Daniel 9:24-27 and apply it to Jesus. (They don't cite Daniel 9:24-27 at all for anything.) This is a
glaring omission if this is a prophecy about Jesus. When considering the Hebrew of this text, it is patently obvious that it cannot be about Jesus.
by the way, Tovia Singer is a
master of the Hebrew Bible, Christian New Testament, and the Patristic Fathers. It is worth watching his videos on this topic and other Christian apologetic topics and giving them serious consideration from the standpoint of a very capable Jewish scholar and debunker of Christian apologetics.
Proverbs 18:17
Please regard the following: Daniel 9:24-27 is a key biblical passage. It is the only Old Testament passage which refers to the Messiah as “Messiah.” Elsewhere He is called “Shiloh” (Genesis 49:10), the “Root of Jesse” (Isaiah 11:10), the “Righteous Branch” (Jeremiah 23:5), the “Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6), etc. But the name by which He is known best, “Messiah,” appears in only one passage: Daniel 9:24-27. Here is an excerpt from that passage:
“Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people. . . . So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress. Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary” (NASB 1995).
Exactly what is meant by “seventy weeks”? The phrase by itself is ambiguous, but taken in context the meaning is clear. Daniel’s prayer in Daniel 9:3–19 refers to the fulfillment of a specific seventy-year period, the seventy years of the Babylonian captivity (as prophesied by Jeremiah). Daniel received the seventy weeks prophecy in response to his prayer. The “weeks” are sets of seven years. The prophecy foretells a period of seven times seventy weeks yet to come, or seventy seven-year periods. Seventy seven-year periods are 490 years.
The prophecy specifies that “from the issuance of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until the Messiah, the Prince, there will be seven weeks [49 years] and sixty-two weeks [434 years]. . . . Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and will have nothing” (Daniel 9:25-26, BSB).
Nebuchadnezzar had Jerusalem dismantled around 587 BC after having to put down two rebellions there in less than 10 years. At the time this prophecy was given, Jerusalem still lay in ruins. According to the prophecy, from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem there would be seven seven-year periods and sixty-two more seven-year periods—or 483 years—until the Messiah would show up. After the culmination of the 62 seven-year periods, or after 483rd year, the Messiah would be cut off.
Both the ancient Hebrews to whom Daniel was writing and the ancient Babylonians to whom he was subservient (the Book of Daniel having been written in Babylon during the latter half of the 6th century BC) used a 360-day year.
So, 483 years x 360 days = 173,880 days. This is the equivalent of 476 years and 25 days, using our modern Gregorian calendar’s 365-day year.
As for our starting point, the Persian emperor Artaxerxes Longimanus (who ruled from 464—424 BC) issued the edict to rebuild Jerusalem sometime during the Hebrew month of Nisan in the 20th year of his reign, or c. 444 BC (Nehemiah 2:1-8). From c. 444 BC, 173,880 days brings us to c. AD 33.
According to this prophecy, the Messiah would show up, present Himself as Messiah to the nation and then be “cut off” some time near AD 33. This was fulfilled as Jesus Christ presented Himself to the nation of Israel on Palm Sunday, was crucified on Preparation Day (the annual day on which the Passover Lamb was slain), and rose from the dead on Sunday.
The prophecy then goes on to say that, subsequent to the Messiah’s death, “the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary” (NASB 1995). Within one generation of Christ’s crucifixion, the Romans, under the command of Titus Flavius Vespasianus, razed Jerusalem and destroyed the temple.
There is some debate about the exact date of the decree that began the 483 years. There is also debate as to whether the days should be counted on our modern 365-day calendars or the 360-day lunar calendar. Regardless, Daniel’s prophecy lays out an amazingly accurate time line. If we knew all the exact dates of Daniel’s prophecy and timing, we would find it predicted the very day of Christ’s death—over 600 years before it occurred.
This article is found here:
https://www.gotquestions.org/seventy-sevens.html
