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Re: "Church Historian Sparks Racism Controversy!"

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bill4long wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2026 3:17 pm
I couldn't stop laughing for five minutes when I heard McKay open his mouth and put his shoe right in it. He surely didn't intend to be insulting but how clueless can ya be in 2026? This reveals a very closed-off fishbowl these Mormon leaders apparently swim in.
Actually, the racist comments he made was only half the problem because he opened his talk about comparing himself being blasted by the hot spotlights on stage to grasshoppers he tortured with a magnifying glass as a young boy.

What the hell is he bringing that up for in a solemn meeting that should be centered on Christian values? That has to be the worst thing I have ever heard in a solemn Mormon gathering uttered from the lips of a General Authority who expects the congregation to think he's speaking by the Holy Spirit. It was not funny. It was revolting and disgusting to bring that up. Shame on McKay!

I was shocked by the grasshopper story. Very, very, poor choice on his part to bring that up. What the hell is wrong with McKay in making such poor judgement? I have to think he will be called in and reprimanded by his bosses.
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To have tortured insects as a child is one thing. To confess it without shame as an adult is another.
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Re: "Church Historian Sparks Racism Controversy!"

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Shulem wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2026 3:34 pm
Actually, the racist comments he made was only half the problem because he opened his talk about comparing himself being blasted by the hot spotlights on stage to grasshoppers he tortured with a magnifying glass as a young boy.
Hehe, that was a bit weird. I never did that. Took me a few seconds to figger out what he even meant. Strange thing to say at a suit-and-tie conference. Seems McKay has some situational appropriateness issues.
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Re: Question for Don Bradley

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Physics Guy wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2026 7:13 pm
To have tortured insects as a child is one thing. To confess it without shame as an adult is another.
I had a conversation with AI about it. It's something that happens and is pretty normal so long as it doesn't persist and get out of hand. Boys tend to do weird things as they learn about life. Using a magnifying glass to torture grasshoppers seems a bit strange to me and he should not have brought that up. If that's the Spirit of Mormon God speaking to the crowd of Mormons in Oklahoma then all I have to say is:

Go to hell, Holy Spirit!

Bradley, you are nuts to stay in that religion! You know better than that.
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Hehe, that was a bit weird. I never did that. Took me a few seconds to figger out what he even meant. Strange thing to say at a suit-and-tie conference. Seems McKay has some situational appropriateness issues.
His ass is grass. It sucks to be Kyle! I can only imagine his bosses are very upset and the fallout is forthcoming. Surely RFM is on top of it right now as we speak.

I hope the video clip goes viral. The whole world should see it! Way to go, Kyle, how about an encore?

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Re: "Church Historian Sparks Racism Controversy!"

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Shulem wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2026 9:24 pm
bill4long wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2026 7:48 pm
Hehe, that was a bit weird. I never did that. Took me a few seconds to figger out what he even meant. Strange thing to say at a suit-and-tie conference. Seems McKay has some situational appropriateness issues.
His ass is grass. It sucks to be Kyle! I can only imagine his bosses are very upset and the fallout is forthcoming. Surely RFM is on top of it right now as we speak.

I hope the video clip goes viral. The whole world should see it!

Way to go, Kyle, how about an encore?

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This could hurt their missionary efforts in Africa which is the only area the Church™ is having any success these days. Of course, the Church™ won't make an apology. (They never do.) But I suspect with the stern face of Mormon Jesus, the Brethren™ will lean heavily on McKay to apologize as a "member" who "does not represent the Church™" etc etc.

For me, this whole thing is extra delicious because McKay was RFM's missionary companion in Japan. I'm not exacly sure why it makes me grin, but it does. :)
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His ass is grass. It sucks to be Kyle! I can only imagine his bosses are very upset and the fallout is forthcoming. Surely RFM is on top of it right now as we speak.
The worst upbraiding is probably coming from his wife. Can you imagine the embarrassment and abject humiliation she must be feeling about all this? Married to this god-in-embryo clod? Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, how can she show her face at Relief Society any time soon? I'm quite sure it truly sucks to be Kyle right now! There's gonna be nickles between the wife's knees for weeks to come over this. :lol:
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White Power!

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bill4long wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2026 9:59 pm
This could hurt their missionary efforts in Africa which is the only area the Church™ is having any success these days. Of course, the Church™ won't make an apology. (They never do.) But I suspect with the stern face of Mormon Jesus, the Brethren™ will lean heavily on McKay to apologize as a "member" who "does not represent the Church™" etc etc.
"BREAKING NEWS! Elder Kyle McKay, Church Historian for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, apologized in writing for racially insensitive comments he made at a stake conference in Oklahoma last Sunday!"

14 minute podcast

Mormon Discussion Inc., Elder Kyle McKay Responds!

Don-baby,

Are you a SWIGGER? :o

Come back to this board and bare your testimony about being a swigga, if u don't mind. Would you like to discuss the First Vision with me or something deep and dark about the Book of Abraham?

Thanks,

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bill4long wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2026 7:48 pm
Shulem wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2026 3:34 pm
Actually, the racist comments he made was only half the problem because he opened his talk about comparing himself being blasted by the hot spotlights on stage to grasshoppers he tortured with a magnifying glass as a young boy.
Hehe, that was a bit weird. I never did that. Took me a few seconds to figger out what he even meant. Strange thing to say at a suit-and-tie conference. Seems McKay has some situational appropriateness issues.
How can any well meaning member of the Church claim he was inspired and that his talk was influenced by the Holy Ghost? Surely, even McKay would have to confess that the Spirit® left him during that talk! Same goes for former President Nelson. The man was ghastly evil.

Stoopid Mormons.

We are witnessing the end of Mormonism as we know it. Times are changing.

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The secretive history of the Church will eventually catch up in Africa and the saints there will learn about the true origins of their race as universally understood by dead prophets of Mormonism -- and when they do, will they not walk away in mass?

The point I wish to make in the following clip is that human blood is red but the mentality of racist Mormon leaders linked the nature of African blood to skin color (black) in consideration to the racist priesthood ban. For all intents and purposes, negro blood was simply bad, impure and unworthy.
QUESTION posed to President Joseph Fielding Smith of the Quorum of the Twelve in a solemn meeting wrote:We have a young man who joined the Church and there is a question as to his lineage. Is there any reason why they couldn't call upon the patriarch to see if he could give it to them, to see whether or not they have colored blood?
ANSWER wrote:In a case where there might be a person suspected of having Negro blood, but it is not certain, they could go to a patriarch. He has the right to inspiration. In such a case the bishop should have the right inspiration too. There are some cases where I suppose no one could tell but the Lord.
Later, Smith clarified Black lineage in an Improvement Era article that was republished in a volume called Answers to Gospel Questions. Smith removed any ambiguity about Black lineage when he emphatically stated that the “Negro may have a patriarchal blessing, but it would declare him to be of the lineage of Cain or Canaan.

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Don Bradley, p.172 wrote:...However, despite their genetic and geographical isolation...
Don, you will agree that your use of the word "genetic" for Lamanites compares with the conversation that took place among church leaders when questioning the lineage of "a young man who joined the Church" having "colored blood".

Do you suppose President Smith would have likened Lamanites as having colored blood or is that just a Negro thing?
ELDER MARK E. PETERSEN, Of the Council of the Twelve Apostles, General Conference, April 1962 wrote:It is always a great thrill to stand here at this pulpit where the prophets of God stand. It is most humbling to be in the presence of our great president, prophet, seer, and revelator. It is wonderful that we love him as we do and that we sustain him and uphold him, and I humbly and earnestly pray that every one of us may do so all the days of our lives. It is a glorious privilege to be able to live in a day when there are prophets in the earth, and I am humbly thankful for the privilege of associating with President McKay and all of these wonderful men who surround him.

<snip>
  • They both believe in a White God
  • Captain Cook saw some of these white natives on his journeys and wrote about them. One came aboard his ship. The other natives told Captain Cook that this white native was their leader and that he was of divine descent and was therefore held in high respect.
  • It is notable that the highest ideal of beauty among these islanders was the white skin. It was regarded as a sign of descent from the best of the ancient lineages and as a symbol of chieftainship of pure blood.
  • Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ, the White God
  • That is the testimony I leave with you, in the name of the Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.
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White Power! White Blood!

Colored blood is impure

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

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PS. Bradley, screw u, coward.
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Re: Archaeology and the Book of Mormon

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OF THE FIRST COUNCIL OF THE SEVENTY
CHURCH OF Jesus Christ OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
DESERET BOOKS
Archaeology and the Book of Mormon, by Milton R. Hunter Ph.D., p. 14 wrote:The Nephites and Mulekites were white and beautiful peoples of Israelitic origin. However, because of the wickedness of a portion of the first group of colonists, the Lord placed the curse of a dark skin on a part of them, which curse was retained by their descendants. Those who had dark skins and all the white people who joined with them were called Lamanites.

QUESTION FOR DON BRADLEY:

Does your remark about genetic isolation pretty much express the same thing that professor Hunter explained in his book about the curse being passed down through the seed?

Some apologists assert that black/dark skin was only a sign of the curse of being separated from God, thus it was not a curse, per se. They might even suggest that elder Hunter was speaking as a man (Ph.D.) and was not representing the Church but that his comments/opinions were mere academic points rather than doctrine. Afterall, it was a book he wrote and not spoken from the pulpit as were also his ideas presented in The Improvement Era. But that defense falls flat because elder Hunter presented the doctrinal curse of dark skin before the entire Church during a conference by directly referencing the curse of Cain:

ELDER MILTON R. HUNTER, Of the First Council of the Seventy, General Conference, April 1952 wrote: My brethren and sisters, I humbly ask an interest in your faith and prayers, and the Spirit of God, to direct the few things that I may say this afternoon.

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And after this terrible crime had been committed, Cain received his "wages from him whom he listeth to obey." He was cursed by the Lord with a dark skin. He lost the Holy Priesthood.

So, the moral of the story is "The Nephites and Mulekites were white and beautiful peoples of Israelitic origin."

Which means that Negros of African origin are black and ugly.

*THAT* is disgusting Mormonism!
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The 1981 INTRODUCTION was the official belief of the Church but the rewrite was designed to deflect and detract from the original claim due to DNA science proving otherwise.
Book of Mormon INTRODUCTION, 1981, (Bruce R. McConkie of the Quorum of the Twelve) wrote:After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are the principal ancestors of the American Indians.
Book of Mormon INTRODUCTION, 2006, (Anti-DNA Apologist) wrote:After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are among the ancestors of the American Indians.

Prior to that, there was THIS, by the Spirit of God:
ELDER REY L. PRATT (Grandson of Parley P. Pratt), President of Mexico Mission ("Father of the Mexican mission"), General Conference, October 1913 wrote:I desire very greatly, my brethren and sisters, to have the Spirit of the Lord direct me in the few remarks that I shall make this morning, and I crave an interest in your faith and prayers in my behalf, that the Lord will assist me to say only those things that He desires I should say. I have had some experience in the missionary field, and I have learned the great lesson that a man must have the Spirit of the Lord to teach the people the things of the Lord, just as much as a man "must have the Spirit of God to understand the things of God."

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I speak in regard to the Mexican mission. I trust that you will bear with me if I call your attention to something that is being done in that mission, among the seed of Lehi, those that we declare are Lamanites.

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I wish to call your attention to conditions that exist at the present time in Mexico, and to the prophecies the Lord has made with reference to that people, and to show you, if possible, wherein those prophecies are being fulfilled now. I call your attention to that part of the record which has not yet been fulfilled, and which is of definite importance to all who believe in the Book of Mormon. The Lamanites are not only the Indians who live in the United States of America, and in Canada, but the Lamanite people extend from Alaska to Patagonia. They are the descendants of father Lehi, and his rebellious sons that turned away from the truth, and incurred the curse of God and became what they are, the native races that exist, as I said, from Patagonia on the south to Alaska on the north- They are all Lamanites, and the Lord prophesied in regard to them, and told them what would be the consequences of their sins, that this curse would come upon them.

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  • Lamanite races of America
  • Mexico, Central America, and Peru, and the rest of the native races that existed at that time, in South America,
  • Guatemala

Blah, blah, blah. Stoopid Mormons.

Isn't that right, Don-baby?

U coward.

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SCRIPTURE CENTRAL Apostates Strike Again!

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SCRIPTURE CENTRAL wrote:It is easy—even natural—for modern readers of the Book of Mormon to intuitively see contemporary sensibilities regarding race and skin color in passages about a “skin of blackness” or dark skins,” but such interpretations are misplaced when reading an ancient text.

Spencer W. Kimball was more than just a modern reader, wouldn't you say? This prophet, seer, and revelator (and future President of the Church) according to SCRIPTURE CENTRAL misled the entire Church with his misplaced interpretations!

ELDER SPENCER W. KIMBALL Of the Council of the Twelve Apostles, General Conference, April 1963 wrote:My Brothers and Sisters, and especially my friends of the radio and television audience: May I tell you of a great adventure? As I traveled to a weekend assignment, I took with me an unusual book which was my constant companion. I could lay it down only to sleep, eat, and change trains. It fascinated me, captivated me, and held me spellbound with its irresistible charm and engaging interest. I have read it many times.

As I finished it, I closed the book and sat back, absorbed as I relived its contents. Its pages held me, bound me, and my eyes were riveted to them. I knew the book was factual, but as has been said, "Truth is stranger than fiction."

I am constrained to speak to you of it today. It is a story of courage, faith, and fortitude, of perseverance, sacrifice, and super-human accomplishments, of intrigue, of revenge, of disaster, of war, murder, and rapine, of idolatry, and of cannibalism, of miracles, visions, and manifestations, of prophecies and their fulfilment.

I found in it life at its best and at its worst, in ever-changing patterns. I hardly recovered from one great crisis until another engulfed me.

Across the stage of this drama of life through the ages, marched actors in exotic, colorful costumes from the blood-painted nudity of the warrior to the lavish, ornamented pageantry of royal courts — some actors loathsome and degraded, others so near perfection that they conversed with angels and with God. There are the sowers and reapers, the artisans, the engineers, the traders, and the toilers, the rake in his debauchery, the alcoholic with his liquor, the pervert rotting in his sex, the warrior in his armor, the missionary on his knees.

This dramatic story is one of the greatest ever played by man. The noted tragedians fumble their lines. It is played "on location" with no false fronts for scenery. It is a fast-moving story of total life, of opposing ideologies, of monarchies and judgeships and mobocracies. Its scenes carry the reader across oceans and continents. It promises to tell of the "last days of God," but instead records the "last days of populous peoples" and the triumph of God. Class distinction is there with its ugliness, race prejudice with its hatefulness, multiplicity of creeds with their bitter conflicts.

Since this book, a "best seller" left its first press, it is printed in more than two dozen languages, more than a half million copies a year, and millions of copies are in libraries, public and private, and in numerous hotels and motels along with the Gideon Bible. Even the blind may read it in three thick books of Braille. Can anyone be considered to be well-read who has not perused this pretentious volume which makes such bold claims?

Its story has a vital message to all people. The gentiles will find the history of their past and the potential of their destiny; and the Jewish people, the blueprint of their future. The covenants of God to them are unfolded, as are the promises regarding Jerusalem, their ancient city, and their lands. And it is revealed how the Jews, so long persecuted, scattered and tortured since their dispersion, may come into their own. And the gentiles are warned that they must ". . . no longer hiss, nor spurn nor make game of the Jews, nor any of the remnant of the House of Israel" for the Lord will remember his covenant to them when they respond. It is the life story of the ancestors of the Indians and accounts for their dark skins.

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The book of which I speak is the keystone of true religion, the ladder by which one may get near to God by abiding its precepts. It has been named, "The most correct of any book on earth." My beloved friends, I give to you the Book of Mormon. May you read it prayerfully, study it carefully, and receive for yourselves the testimony of its divinity. This, I pray in the name of our Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.

So, the dark skins possessed by modern Lamanites was inherited by the dark skins of the ancient Lamanites.

It all comes down to GENETICS! DNA!

Isn't that right, Don? You can run but you can't hide. Or is it, you can hide but you can't run?

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Shulem wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2026 6:28 pm
ELDER REY L. PRATT (Grandson of Parley P. Pratt), President of Mexico Mission ("Father of the Mexican mission"), General Conference, October 1913 wrote:
  • seed of Lehi, those that we declare are Lamanites.
  • The Lamanites are not only the Indians who live in the United States of America, and in Canada, but the Lamanite people extend from Alaska to Patagonia.
  • they are, the native races
  • They are all Lamanites,

Elder Pratt-baby strikes again! :o

ELDER REY L. PRATT, (Late President of Mexican Mission.) General Conference, April 1916 wrote:The history of the Mexican people is only a counterpart of the history of the Indian races that inhabit North and South America, for they have indeed been reduced to a remnant, they have become scattered and smitten ; and I defy anybody to point to me a tribe of the aborigines of this country that owns legitimately any of their own country in their tribal condition as they owned it primitively. It has been absolutely taken away from them by the nations that the Lord permitted to come in, and that in fulfillment of His words to them should they disobey the Gospel of His Son that should be given them. But thanks to the Lord, we know that they are His covenant people. We know that in their veins, flows the blood of Israel,

<snip>

"And then shall they rejoice; for they shall know that it is a blessing unto them from the hand of God: and their scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a white and delightsome people."

Brethren and sisters, do we, as a people, believe in the words of the book that has been written? I testify unto you that the Book of Mormon came forth in the world by the power and inspiration of God Almighty, and we have it as a new witness for Him in the world; and in that book we find the testimony that we among the gentiles who should receive that book and believe in the words of it, should carry it back again to the remnant of those people — and they are the Mexicans, the Central Americans, the South Americans, and the Indian remnants, that cover our own dear land here.

Hold on to your seat! The very next speaker to follow was George Albert Smith of the Quorum of the Twelve who fully endorsed Rey Pratt's informative talk:

ELDER GEORGE ALBERT SMITH of the Quorum of the Twelve, General Conference, April 1916 wrote:I am sure, my brethren and sisters, that the eyes of many of this congregation have been moistened while listening to the pathetic discourse of President Rey L. Pratt with reference to our Lamanite brethren and sisters. He comes naturally by his love for the Indian. His father and grandfather both were missionaries to the dark-skinned natives of America.

QUESTION for Don Bradley:

What color were the skins of the native aborigines defined by Pratt?

ANSWER:

[x] Dark-skinned
[ ] SCRIPTURE CENTRAL brushed on paint of various colors

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