The next insurrection:

[Gunnar]

So if Republicans questioning the legitimacy of the 2020 election is an existential threat to our democracy, does that make Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats who questioned the legitimacy of the 2016 election a threat to our democracy?

The huge difference that you refuse to acknowledge is that Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton and other Democrats, though they lamented the fact that following the peculiar constitutional provisions regarding Presidential elections once again made it possible for someone to win the election despite losing the popular vote because of winning the Electoral College vote, they still acknowledged that the result was in accordance with and permitted by the U.S. Constitution, and begrudgingly accepted it the very next day. In the 2020 election, though, Trump and his delusional base have refused to accept his loss, despite losing by a large margin in both the popular vote and the Electoral College vote. This is clearly as unconstitutional as it can possibly be, and unlike the Democrats, Trump and his most delusional followers attempted to overturn the election illegally through dozens of baseless and frivolous lawsuits and violent, criminal insurrection. The reaction of Democrats to the 2016 election does not come anywhere close to the perfidy of the Republican reaction to the 2020 election.

[ajax18]

[ajax18]

and begrudgingly accepted it the very next day.

Maybe Hillary conceded but had Democrat congressmen voting not to certify the 2016 election on Jan 6, 2017, the same thing that some Republican congressmen did in 2021. After 4 years of claiming the Russians stole the 2016 election and weaponizing the government against a sitting president and his supporters, you don't get to tell us that questioning the election results is a threat to democracy.

[Themis]

and begrudgingly accepted it the very next day.

Maybe Hillary conceded but had Democrat congressmen voting not to certify the 2016 election on Jan 6, 2017, the same thing that some Republican congressmen did in 2021. After 4 years of claiming the Russians stole the 2016 election and weaponizing the government against a sitting president and his supporters, you don't get to tell us that questioning the election results is a threat to democracy.

If I recall correctly have you not accepted that Biden did win the electoral college and therefore the presidency? To this day Trump has consistently said he won the election. Is he a liar or deluded Ajax?

[Chap]

Hillary conceded but had Democrat congressmen voting not to certify the 2016 election on Jan 6, 2017

No, she could not have done that because there was no debate on certifying the election, hence no vote.

Biden, then presiding as VP, gavelled out the few Democrat representatives who tried to interrupt with objections.

See for instance:

https://www.rollcall.com/2017/01/06/tru ... bjections/

As you know, when Pence tried to do what Biden had done and certify the presidential election that Biden won, a mob broke into the Capitol to try to stop him. And ever since the first results were announced (victory for Biden in the popular vote and the electoral college, which Trump did not achieve), Trump and his allies have been trying desperately to overturn that result by all possible means.

Your attempted parallel is pretty weak, isn't it?

[Some Schmo]

So, apparently, to the Trump morons, what Clinton did was outrageous, which is why rabid Trump supporters tried to do the same thing in a much more horrendous fashion. Totally makes sense, if you are really outraged by attempted stolen elections.

damned idiots.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Well. Kind of hard to have an insurrection without at least a good percentage of military types in your corner. Trump isn’t winning any friends in the military with his continued assault on their reputations through his proxies:

Liz Harrington, said: “This is totally false. President Trump never said this. It is made-up fake news, probably by a general who was incompetent and was fired.”

That loser General is believed to be his former CoS John Kelly, who is widely respected in military circles, and reportedly (by an anon source, of course :eye rolls:) had to explain to Trump why he couldn’t say good things about Hitler.

- Doc

[Gunnar]

and begrudgingly accepted it the very next day.

Maybe Hillary conceded but had Democrat congressmen voting not to certify the 2016 election on Jan 6, 2017, the same thing that some Republican congressmen did in 2021. After 4 years of claiming the Russians stole the 2016 election and weaponizing the government against a sitting president and his supporters, you don't get to tell us that questioning the election results is a threat to democracy.

As Chap rightly confirmed, your attempted parallel is pretty weak. In fact it is incredibly weak, and outrageously dishonest. You should be ashamed of yourself!

It is not that questioning the election results per se is a threat to democracy. But doing so as blatantly and maliciously dishonestly as Trump and his sycophantic followers (like you) persist in doing is a very real and even terrifying threat to our democracy. But, then, you have already indicated many times (at least implicitly) that you have almost zero respect for democracy, unless it includes rejecting out of hand honest expression of views other than your own. Isn't that right?

[Gunnar]

Well. Kind of hard to have an insurrection without at least a good percentage of military types in your corner. Trump isn’t winning any friends in the military with his continued assault on their reputations through his proxies:

Liz Harrington, said: “This is totally false. President Trump never said this. It is made-up fake news, probably by a general who was incompetent and was fired.”

That loser General is believed to be his former CoS John Kelly, who is widely respected in military circles, and reportedly (by an anon source, of course :eye rolls:) had to explain to Trump why he couldn’t say good things about Hitler.

- Doc

This makes sense considering that: Schmidt: Trump's 'only affinity for reading anything were the Adolf Hitler speeches he kept on his nightstand'

Schmidt, Sen. John McCain's (R-Ariz.) presidential campaign manager in 2008, also said Trump's victory over Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton was a fluke.

"So in the 240th year of the independence of the United States, in three states by 78,000 votes, the American people by a fluke elected an imbecilic former reality TV show host and con man whose only affinity for reading anything were the Adolf Hitler speeches he kept on his night stand," Schmidt told co-hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski.

[Gunnar]

Maybe Hillary conceded but had Democrat congressmen voting not to certify the 2016 election on Jan 6, 2017, the same thing that some Republican congressmen did in 2021. After 4 years of claiming the Russians stole the 2016 election and weaponizing the government against a sitting president and his supporters, you don't get to tell us that questioning the election results is a threat to democracy.

If I recall correctly have you not accepted that Biden did win the electoral college and therefore the presidency? To this day Trump has consistently said he won the election. Is he a liar or deluded Ajax?

I don't think that ajax really cares whether it is a lie or not. He just wants Trump reinstated regardless. If anything, the prospect that the election was really fair and legitimate probably disturbs and frightens him even more than that Trumplicans deliberately lied about it being stolen.