White privilege is a myth

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Re: White privilege is a myth

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Chap wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:46 pm
huckelberry wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:46 pm
[..] Stop thinking you're privileged because the color of your skin. You're not privileged because you're white!! It's disrespectful to think that way. By thinking that way, you're literally seeing anyone who's not white as a victim. Which means you see them as less than you. [...]
Er, no. I am seeing them as a fellow citizen unjustly deprived of the effective exercise of rights that I have in full, and which they ought to enjoy in the same measure that I do. And I'd like to see that changed. What's wrong with that?

Like, men who said that women ought to have the vote were not regarding them as inferior because they were the victims of unjust discrimination (which they certainly were): quite the reverse.
Chap have reversed the meaning of my post. You have quoted what i replied to and deleted what I actually said.
...............then correcting, Ah Ha I see that you caught the mistake and have corrected it. thankyou.
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huckelberry wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:53 pm
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Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:37 pm


Please, for the love of God!! Stop thinking you're privileged because the color of your skin. You're not privileged because you're white!! It's disrespectful to think that way. By thinking that way, you're literally seeing anyone who's not white as a victim. Which means you see them as less than you. Can you not see that??
I do not think it is a good thing to think of anybody under only one aspect. Everyone is a victim of something at some time. Absolutely none of us are ever a victim only.

I have never imagined that seeing someone as victim makes them less than me. I find that a bizarre sort measurement of self worth.
Seeing someone as a victim definitely makes them less than. It's the victor/victim mentality that can be harmful over a lifetime of someone who considers themselves as a victim. You've probably seen how I've railed against critical race theory in many threads. That's because it promotes the victim mentality for black Americans starting at birth. I don't think we're to far apart in this issue huckleberry. Would you watch this video and tell me what you think?
https://youtu.be/wxOf1QM46jg

The black people I know just want white people to stop trying to define the black community for them.
https://youtu.be/ZLE3HFRwdhQ

This woman explains perfectly how some white people see black people. Again, my point being, if you want to "help" the black community, stop seeing them as victims. There's a long commercial in the middle, skip to 3:55 if you want to skip the commercial.
https://youtu.be/AfPIckTEi-U

Psychologically, if you TEACH someone, no matter what color they are, that they are a victim, you have essentially made that person their own oppressor. There's no need for a slave master anymore, because you have taught them how to enslave themselves.
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Atlanticmike wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:44 am
Psychologically, if you TEACH someone, no matter what color they are, that they are a victim, you have essentially made that person their own oppressor.
Uh-huh.

American man c. 1900:

"In my view, madam, it is manifestly unjust that you do not have the right to vote in the US. After all, you have the same duties as do I to obey the laws made by Congress and to pay the taxes it imposes. Why, then, should you not have a voice in choosing those who represent you in that assembly?"

American woman c. 1900 replies:

"Damn you sir! Now you have taught me that I am a victim of an unjust law, you have made me into a victim, and consequently I shall from now on start oppressing myself! I am far worse off as a result of your patronising interference than I was before!!" (Smites him mightily over the head with her umbrella, kicks him in the crotch, and walks off muttering resentfully to herself.)
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Atlanticmike wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:44 am
Seeing someone as a victim …
Ironically, this is exactly what you are doing when you decide to interpret privilege as needing to include a ‘victim’.

Try this - using wealth privilege as an example, tell me why you or anyone in your family is a victim from this.

Or, again, using the lists that I posted earlier, explain why items on that list imply victimhood.

You’re the fellow who insists on going there. ; )
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I'm humored when racists try to pretend they can't the racist because they're just listening to the one or two black people they know who are equally uneducated on the history of systemic racism. But the thousands of black people who disagree, their opinion and anecdotal experiences mean nothing to them obviously. Note that neither of these trolls have been able to respond to any of the established data points I've provided that irrefutably prove systemic racism. All they can do is respond with youtube videos as if the opinion of some idiot like Candace Owens means anything. A college drop out who moved from the Left to the Right as soon as she realized there were wealth GOP donors willing to pay hard cash if she would only mimic their traditional racist talking points.

White privilege is experienced by me on a daily basis even when I don't even realize it. Every once in a while I'm hit with that reality.

I live in a neighborhood that is within a mile of the downtown area. Outside our neighborhood there is always a cop parked at the Roundabout just outside our neighborhood because cars typically like to fly through it without yielding. The speed limit is 15mph within the roundabout and 25 mph for a mile in every other direction. I've lived here four years and have never once been pulled over by any of these cops, even though I'll occasionally speed. Just last week I had a neighbor loan me his truck so I could deliver some furniture I was selling. He drove, and we were driving no faster than I typically drive, and he was pulled over and given not one but two citations. Failure to yield and then speeding doing 35 in a 25, literally 50 feet from when the speed limit changed to 40. I told him that was weird because I've never once been pulled over by the cops in my town. He said it happens to him at least three times every year and he's never gotten a warning. This friend of mine is the one of only three black men living in my neighborhood.

And this just goes along with virtually every study that proves racial discrimination in our justice system. One study showed that black people were four times more likely to be pulled over during daylight hours, but at night time they were just as likely as white drivers. Nothing else explains this other than the fact that the police can see the skin color during the day.

That's white privilege. The privilege to travel in your day to day life without constant harassment from the State.

WATCH: Black GOP Senator Says He's Been Stopped By Police 7 Times In A Year
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A certain proportion of people are not very intelligent, or simply do not bother to think straight and act prudently (we might call such people 'idiots' if we wanted the emphasis that word gives).

Black people are pretty much the same as any other people, apart from their skin colour.

So there are very likely to be some black people who might, like some white people, reasonably be described as idiots.
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Atlanticmike wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:44 am
huckelberry wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:53 pm


I do not think it is a good thing to think of anybody under only one aspect. Everyone is a victim of something at some time. Absolutely none of us are ever a victim only.

I have never imagined that seeing someone as victim makes them less than me. I find that a bizarre sort measurement of self worth.
Seeing someone as a victim definitely makes them less than. It's the victor/victim mentality that can be harmful over a lifetime of someone who considers themselves as a victim. You've probably seen how I've railed against critical race theory in many threads. That's because it promotes the victim mentality for black Americans starting at birth. I don't think we're to far apart in this issue huckleberry. Would you watch this video and tell me what you think?
https://youtu.be/wxOf1QM46jg
Atlanticmike. I watched this one video. I think he makes some valid points. White people upset about being white is silly and useless.
White people playing savior is not particularly helpful but pretentious.

Health care or food assistance treat blacks and whites the same and are used by both in the same way. Whether or not expanded government role in health care is a good idea it is not something focused on black people. views in favor of those things see them as helping the whole country.

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My thought about your victim victor observation is that I was not thinking of victors here. I can see however if a group of people feel like they have been held back by force and strong arm devices they may see those doing that as victors and experience serious discouragement. They also might experience anger, rersentment determination, resolve, endurance.Not all of those reactions are health. Either way it is healthier for all if the forceful or manipulative methods which have so widely been used in America stop.Many of them have.

That is what the fellow in that video suggested would be actually helpful. He is correct.
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If a person may reasonably be deemed to be an idiot, one may legitimately say that is what they are.

This is true whatever the colour of their skin.

Anyone who suggests otherwise is a racist are they not?
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Cultellus wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:21 pm
Chap and Icarus have concluded that a person with a specific skin color is expected to behave a specific way and not doing so is the result of dropping out of college and being a woman and being an idiot.

Unlike Chap and Icarus, I reject racism and sexism.
This is not our position, and for you to keep asserting such nonsense is proof of not only your stupidity, but the inability to discuss anything intelligently.
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Cultellus wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:45 pm
Icarus and Chap,

Hey racists. If a woman donated to Kamala Harris campaigns and then did not vote for Biden/Harris do you have enough information to determine that she is an idiot? What if she is an accomplished attorney with highly rated law firm? Do you need to know whether or not she is black or white to arrive at your conclusion? What if she is Asian?

You racists are disgusting. Who calls black women idiots for not being exactly what these special priesthood having white men want them to be? And who stands up and says it is okay because a lot of blacks are idiots and a lot of whites are idiots so calling this black woman an idiot is just fine? You two do that. That is who.
Idiots are idiots no matter what their skin color. The fact that you think criticizing anyone of color is racism is just another testament to your own ignorance. You're not a serious person. You're a joke. A troll. And a moron.
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