Shades is there any chance

[Res Ipsa]

If you have, good for you for putting your money where your mouth is.

[Jersey Girl]

If you have, good for you for putting your money where your mouth is.

I made an offer. The details of which I am not going to discuss publicly.

[Res Ipsa]

If you have, good for you for putting your money where your mouth is.

I made an offer. The details of which I am not going to discuss publicly.

I wouldn’t expect you to discuss the details. So, raising your hand subject to specified conditions? If so, still good for you.

[Jersey Girl]

I made an offer. The details of which I am not going to discuss publicly.

I wouldn’t expect you to discuss the details. So, raising your hand subject to specified conditions? If so, still good for you.

Something needs to happen here for the overall health of the board. That's what I know.

[Res Ipsa]

I’m happy to take it on faith that whatever your offer that apparently isn’t exactly putting your hand up with conditions happens to be, that you are acting for the good of the board, so, still good for you.

[Moksha]

Does "hep" = "hip?"

It could if you help rid us of these trolls.

[Atlanticmike]

Well bless your heart. Why aren’t you putting your hand up?

What leads you to believe that I haven't?

You've already proven you would be loyal to doc cam, schmo and Icarus..yeah, you would make a great moderator

[Atlanticmike]

Does "hep" = "hip?"

It could if you help rid us of these trolls.

What you actually mean is, can we please get rid of these guys so we can close the door on the ECHO CHAMBER and lock it really tight once they're gone!?!?!

[Atlanticmike]

I wouldn’t expect you to discuss the details. So, raising your hand subject to specified conditions? If so, still good for you.

Something needs to happen here for the overall health of the board. That's what I know.

I agree 100%!!!! Let's start with stopping the personal insults. We don't need a moderator to do that or tell us to do that.

[ceeboo]

The "newcomers" have created this sudden and critically urgent need to discuss the assembly a mod team? It seems like there is a really hard argument being put on the table for such a thing. What are the reasons behind these strong expressions of disapproval towards these "newcomers?"

I don't have the answers but it has been proposed on the board recently that this outcry is cemented in concerns about spamming, protecting the board (baby) and objections to board rules being broken. While I am not certain, I think there were some implied offences in there as well.

Spamming: Does it happen? Yes, it happens all the time and it's been happening long before the "newcomers" entered the playground. The most recent example of spamming (From a relatively brief scan of the board) can be found within the last 24 hours - On this thread! - This particular spamming came in the form of pictures that contained LDS apostles letting particular people know that Jesus would be disappointed in their behavior. This obvious spamming also included implications that at least one individual used to post under a different handle (Waterdog) and it also contained calls to repent, clearly mocking the idea. At the very least, this is spamming (I would say it's also a clear example of mocking the beliefs of others and could certainly be offensive to LDS folks, but I digress.) Oddly enough, there has been no outcry about this example of spamming (or other examples) Not a word. Why? Could this entire thing be about WHO is posting something and not about WHAT is posted? Not sure but it might be something we ought to consider as we continue our discussions about moderation of the board.

What about Protecting the board (The baby.) First of all, I personally don't like the analogy of the board being a "baby." In my mind, this has the dangerous potential (intended or not) of leading some people to believe that they are the parents of this board. That they, as the parents, ought get to decide any/all decisions made for the board and that they, alone, are responsible for future of the board (Baby.) This simply isn't true. It is, without question, the community that posts here, the collection of human beings that choose to participate here, that are responsible for the board's health as well as the boards future. In short, each and every one of us are either participating and contributing to the the board's health or each and every one of us are participating in the board's sickness. If a third option exists, I don't know what it might be.

What about objections to board rules being broken. This one is really simple. Board rules have been broken since the days of Noah and they continue to be broken on a daily basis. Unless you pick and choose randomly (or pick and choose based on who the poster happens to be) moderating this would be impossible. The breaking of board rules have been taking place long before the "newcomers" made their first post.

What to make of these offences that are being pointed out (I will briefly offer my thoughts on this one as I'm not sure this is really being argued very strongly at this stage, but it does seem to be in the blender, to at least some degree.) Simply put, this is bananas! Offensive posts can be found littered all over this board - It's been this way for years (Including on this board since I came back) and it began way before the "newcomers" joined us. This is a nothing burger. Full stop!

Lastly, as I read about these things that were going on yesterday, I am left with weighing a couple of things that Shades posted. In addition to other things, I think he makes very very strong points and I absolutely agree with him. Here they are:

What rules are our newcomers breaking that others aren't also breaking?

but the willingness or unwillingness of person A to follow the most basic rules is directly proportional to how seriously I take his or her cries to moderate person B.

Just my thoughts? If yours differ, no problem!