drumdude wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:36 pm
Do you have anything to add or dispute in regards to Lindsay’s account?
There is a lot in this account that I could add and dispute. The art in question was produced between the years 2004 and 2007. The images were sourced from old issues of National Geographic and a European naturalist magazine that were legally sold over the counter in a used bookstore in Salt Lake City, UT. Gazelam themself is a naturalist (nudist). The art was never promoted in connection with the Sunstone session to my knowledge, and it was not going to appear at the session. Having looked at the Utah statutes covering indecent literature and art, or intimate images, I can find nothing in the art that fits that description. But obviously I am not a lawyer.
So, hey, Sunstone chose to be extremely careful, and, at the same time, I think we can't ignore the fact that their version of careful had a very Mormon slant to it. I would be shocked to find that the experts they consulted were not also LDS, and thus they applied their LDS-shaped judgment to the issue. We can also not forget that Sunstone was comfortably the home of Tom Kimball for many years. Here an actual child predator was happily sitting in meeting after meeting of Sunstone, with nary a peep from anyone, selling books. I think there is some irony in this fact. Actual predators hide in plain sight while people panic over the possibility of allegedly indecent images being shown. Actual predators sit in the meeting and ogle at your kids, while the person who produces art that makes people squeamish is kicked out.
It kinda burns. So much misplaced panic. The usual misconceived attempts to try to control situations that are not under control. You could hardly ask for a better illustration of this fact than the contrast between Sunstone's history of treatment of Tom Kimball, serial child rapist, and Sunstone's ejection of Gazelam Ale, hippy Mormon artist who used really old naked pictures in their religious art to symbolize innocence over a dozen years ago.
You want some other interesting irony? The Tarot art already did appear at Sunstone (mind you I do not see any child nudity in this image, hence my willingness to post it on this board):

"He disturbs the laws of his country, he forces himself upon women, and he puts men to death without trial.” ~Otanes on the monarch, Herodotus Histories 3.80.