Why only seatbelts?

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Lem wrote:
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All I can think of is contrarianism. The vaccine is promoted so a contrarian must be against it. The therapeutics are not working, so a contrarian has to insist they are working and it’s a conspiracy. All points of a contrarian are only push backs against someone or something else, with no original thought.
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I questioned the result and he got very angry, insisting chloroquine is "100% effective" and that I'm just a libertard.
That right there should tell you that you're not dealing with a man who thinks objectively. Nothing is 100% effective. And someone getting angry and resorting to bullying and abuse when presented with information that doesn't fit their agenda is beneath conservatives and seems far more to me more akin to Icarus, EAllusion, Jersey Girl, Doc Cam etc.

The only argument I can see for making wearing a seatbelt the law is the chance that your body flies out and injures another person. Otherwise to wear or not wear a seat belt should be each individuals right based on his own risk vs. the burden it imposes. Getting rid of the supremely annoying alarms that all but force you to put the seat belt on would increase my quality of life over the next 35 years enough that I'd seriously consider it, since I ultimately didn't need a seat belt over the last 35 years.

Nobody is arguing that hydroxychloroquine is 100% effective against COVID anymore than you are arguing that the vaccine is 100% effective. Nobody is arguing that the there are no side effects to hydroxychloroquine. The argument is that a patient should be able to consult with a board certified physician on whether the risks outweigh the benefits in the case of a particular patient. This is in stark contrast to the position that everyone get the COVID vaccine or be under house arrest, regardless of what your doctor thinks might be best for you as an individual.
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Ajax, serious injury and death impose costs on everyone. The most obvious is insurance. Failing to use a seatbelt drives up the cost of both auto and health insurance. You have no legal or moral right to impose costs on me simply because you are irritated by anything mandatory.
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ajax18 wrote:
Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:18 am
The only argument I can see for making wearing a seatbelt the law is the chance that your body flies out and injures another person.
Er, no. Unless your family have lived off-grid in a hut in the woods for generations, society in general has invested a fair deal in you, from the time you went to kindergarten onwards. Plus the emergency responders who pull your body out of the wreckage have a completely unnecessary task to do when they could be helping others. Further, cleaning up the mess of your body adds to their load of stress for the day and hence diminishes their effectiveness. Plus, unless you are a loathsome person, your tragic death will damage the ability of your loved ones to function as active citizens for quite a while. Some of them may even be plunged into depression and lose their jobs, with obvious social consequences ... and so on.
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Ajax, serious injury and death impose costs on everyone.
I don't see why it has to be that way.
The most obvious is insurance. Failing to use a seatbelt drives up the cost of both auto and health insurance.
So make people pay a higher premium for not wearing a seat belt the same as you would someone who smokes cigarettes.
You have no legal or moral right to impose costs on me simply because you are irritated by anything mandatory.
No I don't and it wouldn't be so if we still lived in a free country. You've brought this situation upon yourself through your socialism, not me.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:40 am
You have no legal or moral right to impose costs on me simply because you are irritated by anything mandatory.
ajax18 wrote:
Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:56 pm
No I don't and it wouldn't be so if we still lived in a free country. You've brought this situation upon yourself through your socialism, not me.
As I have pointed out, by unnecessarily having a fatal accident you deprive society of the investment it has made in you (unless you were raised in the woods by bears), and you inevitably impose costs on society. Maybe you could read what I wrote and respond to that?
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Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:09 am
Unless your family have lived off-grid in a hut in the woods for generations, society in general has invested a fair deal in you, from the time you went to kindergarten onwards. Plus the emergency responders who pull your body out of the wreckage have a completely unnecessary task to do when they could be helping others. Further, cleaning up the mess of your body adds to their load of stress for the day and hence diminishes their effectiveness. Plus, unless you are a loathsome person, your tragic death will damage the ability of your loved ones to function as active citizens for quite a while. Some of them may even be plunged into depression and lose their jobs, with obvious social consequences ... and so on.
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As I have pointed out, by unnecessarily having a fatal accident you deprive society of the investment it has made in you
Societies investment in me is close to zero. Just for future reference, I'm not responsible for providing roads and bridges for the other 350 million people in this country on my own. The only people that made any significant investment in me were my parents and perhaps my grandparents. American society has given me nothing that we didn't pay for in taxes many times more in value. Go ahead, show me your crazy accounting that says society made this huge investment in me.
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ajax18 wrote:
Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:07 pm
As I have pointed out, by unnecessarily having a fatal accident you deprive society of the investment it has made in you
Societies investment in me is close to zero. Just for future reference, I'm not responsible for providing roads and bridges for the other 350 million people in this country on my own. The only people that made any significant investment in me were my parents and perhaps my grandparents. American society has given me nothing that we didn't pay for in taxes many times more in value. Go ahead, show me your crazy accounting that says society made this huge investment in me.
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ajax18 wrote:
Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:07 pm
As I have pointed out, by unnecessarily having a fatal accident you deprive society of the investment it has made in you
Societies investment in me is close to zero. Just for future reference, I'm not responsible for providing roads and bridges for the other 350 million people in this country on my own. The only people that made any significant investment in me were my parents and perhaps my grandparents. American society has given me nothing that we didn't pay for in taxes many times more in value. Go ahead, show me your crazy accounting that says society made this huge investment in me.
It doesn’t take crazy accounting. You’re simply arbitrarily choosing whose move to count. It would be just as correct to say that 100% of the investment in you was made by Bill Gates. The fact is that we all throw money in the pot and then invest it in people. If you went to public school, society invested in you. Any time you use our benefit from things that were made possible using the pot we chipped into, you’ve benefited from society. The fact that you don’t live in complete isolation is strong evidence that you recognize the benefits you receive from society even though you hate to admit it.
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