Vaccine mandates like slavery

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

2024 MAGA hat?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

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Covid is a different threat. The question I would ask DeSantis: When the government won't lift a finger to provide biological security, how long does he expect health care workers to stay in Florida? If you were a health care worker, is that where you'd want to move?

Placing individual freedom above the health of the community will mean that we will never be rid of Covid.

Well, this is what happens when we near a medical collapse due to people being brainwashed by the right-wing media and right-wing culture that embraces paranoia over rationality:

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I've thought of this for some time. Sad idea but we really arent terribly off.

First comes the lack of hospital beds, either from overflow of patients and lack of staff. First there are unstaffed beds in the icus and covid units. The staff not being there but admin not wanting to say no or miss out on money puts nurses in the ICU on 1:3 or 1:4+ assignments. This drives nurses away from the bedside and more beds. Eventually we see admin and clinicians forced to work the floor as there are almost no staff. This drives them away (not upset about this). We have more covids than the designated covid floors and icus can handle so they convert more floors to be, any med-surg nurse is now an ICU nurse, floating where admin outs them. They leave bedside to travel or take time off.

EDs get hit hardest. Less beds, less staff, patients die who shouldn't. As hospitals fill we see decisions made on who gets accepted to ICUs or not. Despite the hate of saying your not vaccinated and should not get top treatment, the truth is we in disaster management have a strategy: THE GREATEST GOOD FOR THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF PEOPLE. By that i mean if the vaccinated are more likely to survive, resources would be allocated to them first. Its a cold truth, but this is most things in life: an acceptable amount of collateral damage to still win. Ambulances if still running will sit with patients outside the EDs for hours waiting for a bed, which patients would die in line waiting.

We saw with the last few waves our ICUs turned into LTACs, i suspect the same will occur.

The staff that does stay will be overworked, burnt out, more medical failures, small missed things, liability remains high, lawsuits a concern but admin wont care. Physicians and some half of the total RNs out there remain in practice.

Likely the government would step in at some point, the question is before or after the collapse and destruction of many hospitals. Hopefully at the end of all this we see more fair ratios and pay for the work we do. I can see the former, not the later.

We, in fact, need to socialize healthcare because we need a unified effort to address the needs of ~330,000,000 Americans. This patchwork system we have isn’t as effective as it needs to be, in addition to bankrupting people who shouldn’t be because they were hurt or injured.

- Doc

[Moksha]

Ajax, if you get vaccinated are you worried, that with the Microsoft nanobots, you will only be counted as 3/5 of a person for voting apportionment?

[Res Ipsa]

Doc, though I don’t consider myself a socialist, I do think there are some needs best meet by treating them as public rather than private goods and services. And I agree on healthcare. The benefits of a healthy population to the country are substantial. Why we can’t at least treat our fellow Americans as resources to be invested in just baffles me. And that’s before considering the humanitarian issues.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Doc, though I don’t consider myself a socialist, I do think there are some needs best meet by treating them as public rather than private goods and services. And I agree on healthcare. The benefits of a healthy population to the country are substantial. Why we can’t at least treat our fellow Americans as resources to be invested in just baffles me. And that’s before considering the humanitarian issues.

I don’t think I’m a socialist, because I believe in a market-based economy, for the most part, but with strong federal, state, and municipal oversight coupled with common sense taxation policies. I also subscribe to socialized services that benefit the whole, like with our military and police, and the various items ticked off by Lem.

I recognize of the subordination, oppression, and exploitation of the working class by families who’ve locked down their respective sectors, making it virtually impossible to break into either by lack of resources on part of the former, or by efforts of those in control to quash competition. I’d like to see the feds break up more monopolies, frankly.

I view Capitalism as an excellent system for innovation, but I’m not blind to people being subject to tyrannical authority at work with little recourse - how does society effectively address the whims, arbitrary decisions, and discriminations practiced by people with economic power over them, the managers, investors, bankers, landlords?

Capitalists control the state and media, which results in long-term policies that are worrying if you think about it for a minute or two. For example, it’s not totally to their benefit to develop citizens beyond what’s necessary to their enterprise, so I can see universal education and healthcare being a problem to them, hence efforts to defeat any initiatives advancing those issues.

I’m also an egalitarian, and while we like to preach equality and freedom in the US, the overarching inequities of capitalism is based on subordination of the working man, the trampling of their to organize in labor unions, and their fleecing. The primarily unrestricted freedom of employers, landlords, and managers to do whatever they want with their capital makes sense in theory, but the practice means dire consequences for most people with regard to their rights, their rent, and their ability to be upwardly mobile.

Make no mistake, I don’t believe the state should be ‘the management’ and own the economy through direct control. That’s a disaster in the making across all echelons. I guess the Nordic model is more or less what I have in mind, but I don’t know how that model translates to a multicultural 330,000,000-sized country. So I’m kind of like ^\o.o/^

- Doc

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

One other thought to add.

We spent trillions and killed thousands in two wars spannning 20 years because 3,000 people died on 9/11. Yet when 600,000 Americans die to something preventable, we can't get a good percentage of Qonservatives to lift a finger, or even admit that it's a serious problem.

Go to war where we can shoot people and blow them up? NO COST IS TOO OUTRAGEOUS.

Go to war where we get vaccinated, and wear masks when prudent? HELL HATH NO FURY LIKE A QTARD WHEN THE GOVERNMENT ASKS THEM TO HELP OUT.

- Doc

[Res Ipsa]

Thanks, Doc. Maybe I’m a radical centrist rather than a left pragmatist. You and I are pretty damn close on the economic issues.

[Some Schmo]

I don’t think I’m a socialist, because I believe in a market-based economy, for the most part, but with strong federal, state, and municipal oversight coupled with common sense taxation policies. I also subscribe to socialized services that benefit the whole, like with our military and police, and the various items ticked off by Lem.

I recognize of the subordination, oppression, and exploitation of the working class by families who’ve locked down their respective sectors, making it virtually impossible to break into either by lack of resources on part of the former, or by efforts of those in control to quash competition. I’d like to see the feds break up more monopolies, frankly.

I view Capitalism as an excellent system for innovation, but I’m not blind to people being subject to tyrannical authority at work with little recourse - how does society effectively address the whims, arbitrary decisions, and discriminations practiced by people with economic power over them, the managers, investors, bankers, landlords?

Capitalists control the state and media, which results in long-term policies that are worrying if you think about it for a minute or two. For example, it’s not totally to their benefit to develop citizens beyond what’s necessary to their enterprise, so I can see universal education and healthcare being a problem to them, hence efforts to defeat any initiatives advancing those issues.

I’m also an egalitarian, and while we like to preach equality and freedom in the US, the overarching inequities of capitalism is based on subordination of the working man, the trampling of their to organize in labor unions, and their fleecing. The primarily unrestricted freedom of employers, landlords, and managers to do whatever they want with their capital makes sense in theory, but the practice means dire consequences for most people with regard to their rights, their rent, and their ability to be upwardly mobile.

Make no mistake, I don’t believe the state should be ‘the management’ and own the economy through direct control. That’s a disaster in the making across all echelons. I guess the Nordic model is more or less what I have in mind, but I don’t know how that model translates to a multicultural 330,000,000-sized country. So I’m kind of like ^\o.o/^

- Doc

Totally agree with all of this.

I've come to the conclusion there is no workable economic system. They all have cycles and big flaws. The closet thing to a good system I can think of is some kind of regulated capitalism, but agreeing on and enacting the regulation seems impossible.

I don't think our system can ever improve unless there is a cultural shift in the attitude people have toward shareholders compared to laborers, not to mention our attitudes toward the rich and the poor. We keep admiring wealth builders rather than noticing the damage their hoarding does to the economy.