Are you pro life?

[Chap]

I think AtlanticMike is just a little bit out of date about the status of European populations cowed by standing armies while freedom-loving US gun-carrying citizens have the power to stand up to the armed forces available to their own government.

It is the US population that now faces the best funded and equipped (by a looooong way) armed forces in the world, and they are pretty numerous too. In the extremely unlikely event that any armed group of US citizens attempted a serious insurrection (by which I do not mean parading around with assault rifles and dark glasses looking threatening) their chances of surviving what the government could throw at them would be vanishingly small.

Meanwhile, in terms of homicide, more people per 100,000 get killed by guns in the US than by all other causes. See my post:

As we saw earlier in this thread, US homicide rates per 100,000 population are four to five times those in comparable advanced European countries where gun control is much stricter. But how far might that be the effect of the extreme ease of killing people with a gun, as opposed to using a knife or some kind of blunt instrument?

This chart is quite interesting:

(See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_viole ... ted_States)



Clearly, there are quite a few countries whose rates of non-gun homicide are not greatly less than those in the US. But in the US there is this huge dose of extra killing by lovely quick effective 'pull it and plug'em' guns. A dose of killing much greater than in other countries.

Doesn't that look like the extra special factor that keeps the US homicide level so high is the guns? Why, so it does.

[Atlanticmike]

A-Mike, are you now ready to see the truth and give up guns? We’ve proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that they aren’t necessary and cause much more harm than good (the good is essentially nil).

So will you join me?

What else are you willing to ban so we can save lives? Here's some things that aren't protected by the Constitution that we could ban or change existing laws and save 1000s of lives.
1. Let's ban swimming pools. No one needs a large body of water in their backyard. It's dangerous. They could go to a community pool were there's a life guard on duty. 1000s die a year from drowning in backyard pools and hot tubs. Let's think about the children.
2. Let's ban 99% of all cleaning supplies. Around 300 children are treated for poisoning each day in emergency departments across the United States according to the US Center for Disease Control and prevention. At least two of those children die each day. Let's ban cleaning supplies!! Instead of cleaning with deadly chemicals, we could use steam or even a safe mixture of vinegar and water. Are you with me??
3. Let's have a countrywide speed limit of 25 miles per hour. Reducing speed limits to 25mph will save thousands of lives. No one needs to go 80mph. Heck!! No one needs to go 35mph! Let's think of the children. Are you with me?
4. 42.4% of Americans are considered obese and those people are passing on their bad eating habits to their children. Will you join me in my push to ban foods that are unhealthy? Let's ask our representatives to write new laws that will fine parents who pass on bad eating habits to their children. Obesity is one of the biggest killers in the United States. Will you join me?
5. Alcohol consumption is the sole cause of 85,000 deaths annually in the Americas. Drinking contributes to more than 300,000 deaths every year. Will you join me in banning all alcohol. No one needs to consume alcohol, ever. Think of how many lives we could save. Think of how many women and children wouldn't be beaten by their enraged alcoholic husband. Just think, no more drunk drivers. Will you join me in calling for a ban on all alcohol??

Honest, would you ever consider banning any of these? Is it about saving lives to you?

[Alf'Omega]

More truth bombs.

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[Alf'Omega]

A-Mike, are you now ready to see the truth and give up guns? We’ve proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that they aren’t necessary and cause much more harm than good (the good is essentially nil).

So will you join me?

What else are you willing to ban so we can save lives? Here's some things that aren't protected by the Constitution that we could ban or change existing laws and save 1000s of lives.
1. Let's ban swimming pools. No one needs a large body of water in their backyard. It's dangerous. They could go to a community pool were there's a life guard on duty. 1000s die a year from drowning in backyard pools and hot tubs. Let's think about the children.
2. Let's ban 99% of all cleaning supplies. Around 300 children are treated for poisoning each day in emergency departments across the United States according to the US Center for Disease Control and prevention. At least two of those children die each day. Let's ban cleaning supplies!! Instead of cleaning with deadly chemicals, we could use steam or even a safe mixture of vinegar and water. Are you with me??
3. Let's have a countrywide speed limit of 25 miles per hour. Reducing speed limits to 25mph will save thousands of lives. No one needs to go 80mph. Heck!! No one needs to go 35mph! Let's think of the children. Are you with me?
4. 42.4% of Americans are considered obese and those people are passing on their bad eating habits to their children. Will you join me in my push to ban foods that are unhealthy? Let's ask our representatives to write new laws that will fine parents who pass on bad eating habits to their children. Obesity is one of the biggest killers in the United States. Will you join me?
5. Alcohol consumption is the sole cause of 85,000 deaths annually in the Americas. Drinking contributes to more than 300,000 deaths every year. Will you join me in banning all alcohol. No one needs to consume alcohol, ever. Think of how many lives we could save. Think of how many women and children wouldn't be beaten by their enraged alcoholic husband. Just think, no more drunk drivers. Will you join me in calling for a ban on all alcohol??

Honest, would you ever consider banning any of these? Is it about saving lives to you?

A normal person would understand guns aren't synonymous with the things you mentioned because those things aren't used to murder people. And by the way, we tried banning alcohol once upon a time. How'd that work out? And not everyone is obese due to bad eating habits. In many cases it is a matter of genetics.

[Alf'Omega]

Having said that, very few people are talking about banning guns, and virtually no one in office is.

What the Left wants is regulation of guns, which barely exists. Today kids can own guns,guns, guns,, you can buy any kind of gun you want on the internet, etc. So regulation to save lives. You know, like we regulate alcohol consumption, speed limits on the highway, and even swimming pools are regulated in residential areas. For instance, you can't have a pool unless you have a six foot wood fence around it with no ability to access it from the outside without a key. If we suggest gun regulation, no matter how minor, the Right screams a tantrum about how we're coming after your guns. Measures the NRA used to stand fir, they no longer do because they're pandering to a minority if rabid, ignorant hillbillies. That, and they're beholden to the gun/ammo industry which relies on the NRA to make their business boom buy getting more people to buy a gun. And then more guns and more ammo.

[Atlanticmike]

What else are you willing to ban so we can save lives? Here's some things that aren't protected by the Constitution that we could ban or change existing laws and save 1000s of lives.
1. Let's ban swimming pools. No one needs a large body of water in their backyard. It's dangerous. They could go to a community pool were there's a life guard on duty. 1000s die a year from drowning in backyard pools and hot tubs. Let's think about the children.
2. Let's ban 99% of all cleaning supplies. Around 300 children are treated for poisoning each day in emergency departments across the United States according to the US Center for Disease Control and prevention. At least two of those children die each day. Let's ban cleaning supplies!! Instead of cleaning with deadly chemicals, we could use steam or even a safe mixture of vinegar and water. Are you with me??
3. Let's have a countrywide speed limit of 25 miles per hour. Reducing speed limits to 25mph will save thousands of lives. No one needs to go 80mph. Heck!! No one needs to go 35mph! Let's think of the children. Are you with me?
4. 42.4% of Americans are considered obese and those people are passing on their bad eating habits to their children. Will you join me in my push to ban foods that are unhealthy? Let's ask our representatives to write new laws that will fine parents who pass on bad eating habits to their children. Obesity is one of the biggest killers in the United States. Will you join me?
5. Alcohol consumption is the sole cause of 85,000 deaths annually in the Americas. Drinking contributes to more than 300,000 deaths every year. Will you join me in banning all alcohol. No one needs to consume alcohol, ever. Think of how many lives we could save. Think of how many women and children wouldn't be beaten by their enraged alcoholic husband. Just think, no more drunk drivers. Will you join me in calling for a ban on all alcohol??

Honest, would you ever consider banning any of these? Is it about saving lives to you?

A normal person would understand guns aren't synonymous with the things you mentioned because those things aren't used to murder people. And by the way, we tried banning alcohol once upon a time. How'd that work out? And not everyone is obese due to bad eating habits. In many cases it is a matter of genetics.

So what you're saying is that a life taken in a car accident because someone was driving drunk is less important than a life taken by a gun used in robbery?

According to the CDC, the obesity epidemic increased dramatically in the United States in the 1990s. There's 300,000 premature deaths each year in the u.s., second only to tobacco-related deaths. Do you not care that obesity is an epidemic in the United States? Bad eating habits are passed on generation to generation. Let's lock up parents who pass on bad eating habits to their children. Let's eliminate all the foods and beverages in the middle of the grocery store. You can eat perfectly healthy by shopping just the outer Isles of the grocery store. Is that such a bad idea? No one should be free to abuse their children by teaching them bad eating habits, bad eating habits last a lifetime. Are you with me?

[Atlanticmike]

Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States according to the CDC. Including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1300 deaths a day.

41,000 deaths a year from second hand smoke exposure. That's more deaths than from gun violence. Is anyone here interested in talking about the 41,000 deaths from secondhand exposure or are those deaths not important as gun deaths because they don't further your socialist agenda? Remember, this thread is about being pro life!! Who's with me! Let's ban cigarettes, cigars and any other substance that's inhaled into the lungs like marijuana. Let's do it for the children!!

[Sledge]

So what you're saying is that a life taken in a car accident because someone was driving drunk is less important than a life taken by a gun used in robbery?

According to the CDC, the obesity epidemic increased dramatically in the United States in the 1990s. There's 300,000 premature deaths each year in the u.s., second only to tobacco-related deaths. Do you not care that obesity is an epidemic in the United States? Bad eating habits are passed on generation to generation. Let's lock up parents who pass on bad eating habits to their children. Let's eliminate all the foods and beverages in the middle of the grocery store. You can eat perfectly healthy by shopping just the outer Isles of the grocery store. Is that such a bad idea? No one should be free to abuse their children by teaching them bad eating habits, bad eating habits last a lifetime. Are you with me?

Here is what you are apparently not understanding:

Cars, forks, etc. are not killing machines. They literally are tools whose primary purpose is to make things easier for humans.

Guns are not tools. Guns were/are designed for the sole purpose killing/destruction.

[Alf'Omega]

So what you're saying is that a life taken in a car accident because someone was driving drunk is less important than a life taken by a gun used in robbery?

That's not what I'm saying at all. I', saying we've already taken measures to regulate driving and alcohol consumption, which effectively minimized deaths. We haven't even begun to do the same with guns because there is too much public outcry my the minority ignorant who think they have a Constitutional right to own any kind of gun they want. They don't. Even the Conservative Justice Scalia said as much.

Do you not care that obesity is an epidemic in the United States?

Not as much, because my neighbor over eating doesn't place a risk on my life or the life of my children or the lives of anyone else for that matter. However, my neighbor filling his house up with loaded guns while kids are there unsupervised, represents a clear and direct danger to me and the lives of my loved ones.

It is one thing to see my toddler die from eating a tidepod. That is something I could look back on and know I had control over that and should have made sure those products were out of her reach. It is another thing for someone to be killed while sitting in the comfort of his own home, because some gun happy moron from a quarter mile away was careless with a loaded gun.

Last month one of our neighbors fired a few shots in his backyard. Our neighborhood Facebook page was livid with him because every other home has kids, but he said he was just trying to shoot coyotes. There were no coyotes, but even if there were, this is a small neighborhood of 90 homes all of which are no more than 15 ft apart. This moron had no business firing his weapon, which was actually against an ordinance forbidding the firing of firearms within the city.

[Alf'Omega]

Also, regarding those "swimming pool deaths." You're using overall drowning deaths, most of which come from either the bathtub (the #1 reason toddlers drown) or natural waters like rivers, lakes or oceans.