Ben Park Scrubbed From MI

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Kishkumen wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 7:30 pm
Alphus and Omegus wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 7:14 pm
So judging from the 2020 Internet Archive version of the Park page, it says that he was the recipient of a "Short-term research grant" which ran from "May–June, 2018."

Is that what the page said prior to its removal? How many other people are listed on the site who had such short-term grants years ago?

Just trying to make sure that this is not a coincidence. How do we know that the page was not removed before Park spoke out against Holland?
MI does keep little blurbs and pictures of former employees and scholars. Another interesting omission is DCP. But Gee is definitely there. As are some other people who are no longer affiliated with the Institute and had short-term affiliations.
Does anyone know for certain when the Park page was removed? Unfortunately, the Internet Archive doesn't have anything within this year before it happened.
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Interestingly, Peggy Stack published a piece on the affair but it is not on the SL Trib website: https://Twitter.com/TheGrandScoobah/sta ... 0993413123

Also oddly, she does not seem to have any information on when the removal took place.
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Re: Ben Park Scrubbed From MI

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Alphus and Omegus wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:56 pm
Interestingly, Peggy Stack published a piece on the affair but it is not on the SL Trib website: https://Twitter.com/TheGrandScoobah/sta ... 0993413123

Also oddly, she does not seem to have any information on when the removal took place.
Thanks for posting that link, A&O.
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Re: Ben Park Scrubbed From MI

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Alphus and Omegus wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:56 pm
Interestingly, Peggy Stack published a piece on the affair but it is not on the SL Trib website: https://Twitter.com/TheGrandScoobah/sta ... 0993413123
The piece is now posted: https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021/09 ... really-be/ (although access may be restricted).
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Re: Ben Park Scrubbed From MI

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Alphus and Omegus wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:36 pm
Kishkumen wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 7:30 pm


MI does keep little blurbs and pictures of former employees and scholars. Another interesting omission is DCP. But Gee is definitely there. As are some other people who are no longer affiliated with the Institute and had short-term affiliations.
Does anyone know for certain when the Park page was removed? Unfortunately, the Internet Archive doesn't have anything within this year before it happened.
The link to his page was on the MI website as late as July 19: https://web.archive.org/web/20210719213 ... /scholars/ (click on 2018 at the bottom left of the page). When you click on the link, the page is dated September 3. That's the day that Grand Scoobah pointed out that material related to Park had been removed.
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What a short-sighted strategy, to just disappear people that speak out publicly with legitimate concerns of harm being done to a vulnerable minority.

It makes you wonder if BYU will eventually receive instructions to censor news outlets that run critical articles, such as Washington Post?
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dastardly stem wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:07 am
Ben parks hurting people because of his desired support lgbtq? Great. MI of all groups were among the first to fire off their muskets in response? Admittedly I find that a bit surprising. Figured it'd come from other sources.
Since the musket metaphor originated with Neal Maxwell back in 2004 (as noted by Holland in his address), it's less surprising than it might otherwise be...
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This really bothers me. I love Ben's work, especially Kingdom of Nauvoo. Did Peggy uncover the reason he was removed from the MI site?
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I am guessing it is hard to get a reason from people who will deny they ever did it.
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cinepro wrote:
Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:57 pm

Since the musket metaphor originated with Neal Maxwell back in 2004 (as noted by Holland in his address), it's less surprising than it might otherwise be...
Well yeah, but, come on. I thought they had a reason kicking out Dr Peterson and friends--something about they ain't gonna do things the same
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