Trump’s Disgraceful Endgame

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ajax18 wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:44 pm
How does that work? Tell me how Republicans won’t vote for their preferred candidate because a poll that they don’t believe anyway might indicate that their candidate may not be leading.
It's more directed at people who would donate money to the campaign.

Trump has continued to raise money even after losing; he has raked in over $200 million dollars from suckers willing to fatten his bank account post-election.

I’m not seeing how that reality supports your theory.
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ajax18 wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:44 pm
But there is good reason to suspect significant voter fraud.
This is the most blatant and ignorant lie in your post. Like it or not, there is practically zero "reason to suspect significant voter fraud." Even Trump's lapdog, William Barr, has effectively acknowledged that. Trump's tedious and irrational lawsuits claiming that the election was somehow stolen from him have been universally and devastatingly shot down even by Republican judges appointed by Trump himself! The principal lawyers still trying to pursue that claim in court have deservedly become objects of ridicule because of the silliness, insubstantiality and even dishonesty of their arguments, and will increasingly have to face the possibility of punitive sanctions against them for that, and possibly even eventual disbarment IMHO.

To continue to hold on to the lie that there was significant fraud in the recent election, despite the glaring lack of credible evidence for it, verges on insanity. It is at the very least outrageously dishonest and/or ignorant to do so. Trump will almost certainly fire Barr over this, just like he has tried to fire or discredit anyone else who refused to lie or break the law on his behalf. This is now so well known that getting fired by Trump has become badge of honor and a strong selling point on the resumes of the people so fired, while not being fired by him is increasingly becoming a bad mark against them, damaging to their future post Trump employment prospects.
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Ajax wrote:But there is good reason to suspect significant voter fraud.
You're right. Denial is a tried-and-true coping mechanism. You're pretty high strung, Ajax, and a healthy fantasy life certainly does you good.
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ajax18 wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:44 pm
But there is good reason to suspect significant voter fraud.
There is good reason to suspect that the enemies of America wish to suspend the Constitution, install martial law, and use the military to appoint Trump as dictator for life. At least that is what General Flynn and the Destroy Democracy Committee came up with.
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Moksha wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:02 am
ajax18 wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:44 pm
But there is good reason to suspect significant voter fraud.
There is good reason to suspect that the enemies of America wish to suspend the Constitution, install martial law, and use the military to appoint Trump as dictator for life. At least that is what General Flynn and the Destroy Democracy Committee came up with.
You’re not being hyperbolic in the least. We’re in a literal coup right now.

People voted for a change of power. Trump is refusing to accept the people’s will. He’s taking power that doesn’t belong to him. That’s a coup. He’s taken an orderly system, balancing a whole lot of chaos, and screwed with it. I don’t know how it’s going to explode, but I can promise you this. It’s going to explode if he doesn’t leave the White House in January.

This is precisely why we have elections, and why both sides accept the results. To keep the chaos of a thousand factions at bay. The whole point is that you have a regular, ritual fight rather than real fighting all the time. Once one side breaks the ritual then you’re on the way to civil war. Once you break the rules, chaos ensues.

What exactly happens? I don’t know. It’s chaos. It can be a little bit of blood letting so the Tree of Liberty gets its watering, or crap goes absolutely bananas as the system breaks down - remember what Bannon wanted? Virtually every country that fell into this kind of chaos didn’t want it, and didn’t think it was possible even though on retrospect you could see it coming a mile away.

Honestly, our best bet is how good we have it right now, that despite all the larpers out there calling for war they’ll think it through before they experience true deprivation. Whatever people who grew up in stability think war is like, they can’t even begin to approximate the conditions that no power, broken supply lines, roving militias, and forced discomfort produces. They have no idea, none. It’s a nightmare they can fantasize about, but when reality pushes their teeth in and their baby niece dies of exposure or being brutalized they’ll have that moment of clarity - that they screwed up. By then it’s too late, and some new order will emerge, and it won’t be better than what they had before.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:59 am
Honestly, our best bet is how good we have it right now, that despite all the larpers out there calling for war they’ll think it through before they experience true deprivation.
If not and Trump does destroy America... they will have big celebration in Kremlin. Putin will say, "Hoo boy, we sure picked right nogoodnik for job, eh comrades?"

I bet Mueller is kicking himself for not being more explicit and detailed with both his investigation and report.
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I don't know if Mueller is all there. He seemed cognitively declined during the hearings.

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In the series "The Comey rule" Comey depicted Mueller as unjustly grumpy toward him. Once. So there's that.
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