The Military and Trump: Questions for Dr. Cam

[Moksha]

You don't like Trump and what he represents? Restructure your strategy or buckle in for what will be a whiplash inducing reversal in 2022 and 2024.

Pretty sure that is for statesmen, politicians, and party strategists. I'm just a guy posting on a religiously based message board. We are all entitled to post our opinions and hopefully can do so without being broadsided.

[honorentheos]

You don't like Trump and what he represents? Restructure your strategy or buckle in for what will be a whiplash inducing reversal in 2022 and 2024.

Pretty sure that is for statesmen, politicians, and party strategists. I'm just a guy posting on a religiously based message board. We are all entitled to post our opinions and hopefully can do so without being broadsided.

Or take some ownership.

Again, you aren't that different from the people you criticize when you post that way, then refuse to have any accountability, and you are making it more and more apparent with each post. Being on the right side of an issue doesn't make you right.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

I mean... it's hard to humanize people like this:

https://Twitter.com/LaurenWitzkeDE/stat ... 5882998787

If declaring Martial Law is the only way to save our country from being delivered into the hands of the Democrats and the CCP, I’m absolutely 100% in.

I trust Trump.

They starved us, perverted our children, and tried to replace us with foreigners. Win at all costs.

And then in response a dude posts:

In order to ensure the security and continuing stability, the republic should be reorganised into the first AMERICAN EMPIRE. With Trump as its lifelong emperor, for a safe and secure society.

I get the idea is to state something to the effect, "Not all Trump supporters are like...", but I'd like to see more Conservatives speak out against this coup that's going on. Too few GOP politicians and leaders are putting the republic before their own interests.

- Doc

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

And then popping into 4chan/pol/ I'm immediately met with:

Anonymous (ID: zmGhWrsq) 12/07/20(Mon)09:19:47 No.295279209 [Reply]▶>>295279478

I'm 54... my entire life I have watched communist enemies...foreign and domestic(DEMOCRATS) erode American Values...

I'm just done with them...I want them all out of my country...

I don't know what will happen with this latest assault on America...

the WORLD see's it...

the WORLD KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED...not just me and my fellow Patriots

GLOBALISTS think they are bigger than ANY country....

THEY forgot about AMERICA

LET FREEDOM RING

This isn't an outlier post. This is regular stuff. Then if you go to Parler, OANN, and various Conservative-leaning news outlets and forums the messaging is the same. I'm thinking Moksha is closer to the truth than we think, despite us all having friends and family that voted Trump and they seem kind and normal on the outside. What's going on in their brains and hearts is probably a different matter.

- Doc

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

And before I come across as too hyperbolic, check out this YouTube titled "LIVE: Trump Legal Team Presents CLEAR Evidence of Fraud Before Georgia Senate Committee 12/3/20" and just watch the comments loading on the right:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e35f4pU ... .be&t=1977

It's just absolutely unbelievable.

- Doc

[Moksha]

Pretty sure that is for statesmen, politicians, and party strategists. I'm just a guy posting on a religiously based message board. We are all entitled to post our opinions and hopefully can do so without being broadsided.

Or take some ownership.

Again, you aren't that different from the people you criticize when you post that way, then refuse to have any accountability, and you are making it more and more apparent with each post. Being on the right side of an issue doesn't make you right.

I'm trying to think how Jersey Girl would respond to you. She expresses her indignation well.

[canpakes]

I mean... it's hard to humanize people like this:
:: examples follow ::

Honor, to Doc’s point here - ‘humanizing’ the other side is admirable, but at what time does it become necessary to acknowledge that it may be useless to do so when that other side considers that your life needs to be terminated because you didn't vote for their candidate?

Is there a solution to this aside from message-board ‘humanizing’ of the folks who talk about killing you for your offense of voting for Biden?

I mean, I don’t think that baking these folks a cake as a neighborly gesture is going to change their minds at this point.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

I mean... it's hard to humanize people like this:
:: examples follow ::

Honor, to Doc’s point here - ‘humanizing’ the other side is admirable, but at what time does it become necessary to acknowledge that it may be useless to do so when that other side considers that your life needs to be terminated because you didn't vote for their candidate?

Is there a solution to this aside from message-board ‘humanizing’ of the folks who talk about killing you for your offense of voting for Biden?

I mean, I don’t think that baking these folks a cake as a neighborly gesture is going to change their minds at this point.

And to your point, back to that YouTube video I linked. How do you reason with people who think like this?

coxinel007
​They think they can HIDE their LIES by wearing MASKS... POOR GUYS ‼

President-elect We The People
​Rest assured Trump will continue to be in office

Jn Brian Laundrie
​DEBUNKED LOL

Autumn Perfume
​Hope Legislators say NO PROOFS LIKE MICHIGAN. IT IS ALREADY CERTIFIED. One legislator MATTHEW SAID THAT AND I GUESS HE MEANS BIDEN WON ALTHOUGH FRAUD THERE

Franny Leyden
​GOD BLESS ALL THESE PEOPLE!!!

ragnarok
​EVERYBODY WHO SAYS THERE IS NO EVIDENCE SHOULD BE LOCKED UP TOO!!!!!

dead
​DEBOONKED

On and on. Thousands of comments by thousands of people mired in a braindead 'jenius reality. In fact, just look at the 'jenius. Look at what he posts and how he interacts with board participants. You wanna know what's scary? He and they are representative of the average person and average voter. They're damned retarded. All of 'em. It's easy to think the board participants here are the average, the mean, for intelligence. We're not. It's a horrifying and sobering realization we're actually far above what the average person is. And I'm an idiot. I mean that. I'm like *this far away* from a mouthbreather. And if I'm that far away, man, we're in a bad way.

- Doc

[Res Ipsa]

Honor, if I zoom out and take my perspective from, say, the moon, I agree with you.

On the ground right now, my opinion is that you are engaging in toxic both siderism. To even imply that Moksha's post belongs in the same category as killing one's political opponent is extreme black and white thinking.

Decades ago, some clever guys discovered there was money to be made by broadcasting radio shows that led the audience become resentful and afraid. It was profitable, and lots of folks jumped in to grab their share of cash. As more and more cash hungry folks jumped in, the competition for dollars from the angry and afraid audience intensified and the rhetoric ramped up and up and up. It has reached the point where you can't find a Trump supporter who can accurately describe what an American Liberal is. They can't distinguish among Liberals (who are capitalists), socialists, and communists. And this decades long propaganda campaign has resulted in a scary portion of American citizens claiming that liberals are an existential threat that must be exterminated. We have folks on the right plotting to kidnap and execute politicians on TV. An armed group of right-wingers showed up at the home of a secretary of state at night, when she was at home alone with her four year old. People openly talking about murdering their neighbors, and apparently relishing the thought of doing so. Religious leaders expressing joy that folks opposing Trump will be lined up and shot by firing squads. Ex-generals and other political leaders advocating for declaring martial law to overturn the results of a free and fair election. And the people who could defuse this insanity with one statement to the press stay mum.

There is no both sides to this. Right wing media has poured gasoline on this country for decades, and now we've got a President perfectly willing to light the match. If I go to where left wingers gather on the internet, Daily Kos, and I even suggest violence, I will be banned. And not by a moderator. By sanctions imposed by the people who post there. Contrast that with any location on the internet where the right-wing gathers.

We are inches from a soft coup. And if it fails, we are inches from Americans murdering other Americans. A madman is waving matches around, and no leader on the right will step up and even try to calm things down.

To both siderism our current situation is, I suggest, a moral failing. It is a cop out. It is exactly what allows things like Gad's neighbor threatening to murder liberals. It is the good man who, in the face of evil, does nothing.

[Some Schmo]

To both siderism our current situation is, I suggest, a moral failing. It is a cop out. It is exactly what allows things like Gad's neighbor threatening to murder liberals. It is the good man who, in the face of evil, does nothing.

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. It's a particularly pernicious attitude, because it's seems reasonable in theory. I mean, it's reasonable to try to be as objective as possible about both sides of any given issue.

However, it's not reasonable, once you've looked at both sides, to come down evenly in your judgment every time. One side is generally more or less correct than the other. To shoehorn equality into both sides is to be biased against the more correct side.