Trump Sabotages America

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:19 pm


Dantana,

You deeply misunderstand human nature and its ability to make a deal with the devil. I'm sincerely not trying to be offensive toward you. I know we're all sitting around, watching a crap Adderall-addicted emotionally-crippled imbecile throwing a 24/7 tantrum, commanding his army of flunkies to try anything and everything to get him installed in power again, to include recently having his idiot hair-brained spy infiltrate his own justice department and bully employees to get them to go along with the coup. For her efforts she was rewarded with a federal sinecure - a three-year term on the Board of Visitors of the U.S. Air Force Academy. THAT is why people make deals with the devil. THAT is why coups are supported by stupid, self-interested parties.

Trump's behavior is completely seditious and the Trump campaign's claims are knowingly fraudulent, because nothing they say in public is what they're saying in court under oath, but they keep doing it because it's a freakin’ coup and they don't care about the law or actual fraud they're just trying to win. This is what a coup looks like when they parties involved are freakin’ idiots, but in no way should their incompetence or stupidity detract from the seriousness of their crimes.

The problem with coups that look like a farce, but are supported by a base of fools, is they turn to a national tragedy in a matter of hours, sometimes minutes. This is a constitutional crisis. It's real. We're being coup’d by people who know they're coup'ing and have convinced their idiot base that they're the victims, despite being the sole belligerents. It's crazy, but it's happening.

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Yep. Part of what I got going on is perhaps wishful thinking. I have though read some recent articles asserting that any attempted military coup would have zero chance of success. I'll look for an article.
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A paramilitary uprising on behalf of Trump would be the final mass-suicide of the hardest-core followers in his cult. Historians could call it the Kool-Aid war.
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Some Schmo wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:02 pm
A paramilitary uprising on behalf of Trump would be the final mass-suicide of the hardest-core followers in his cult. Historians could call it the Kool-Aid war.
Yeah, and wouldn't it be ironic if the last things some of these guys see is bullets coming at em from the Trump newly duly approved firing squads.

edit add; This post is not intended to advocate for anybody being executed, but instead highlighting the fact that for some reason Trump seems to think that execution by firing squad is a thing that needs to be available to him at this time.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/07/us/p ... iEAxNoRazu
WASHINGTON — Two whistle-blowers have accused contractors building President Trump’s border wall of smuggling armed Mexican security teams into the United States to guard construction sites, even building an illegal dirt road to speed the operation, according to court documents unsealed by a federal judge on Friday.

The two employees, who were both contracted to provide security at the sites, accused the company, Sullivan Land Services Co., or S.L.S. — as well as a subcontractor, Ultimate Concrete of El Paso — of hiring workers who were not vetted by the United States government, overcharging for construction costs and making false statements about those actions.

The whistle-blowers said Ultimate Concrete went so far as to build a dirt road to expedite illegal border crossings to sites in San Diego, using construction vehicles to block security cameras. An unnamed supervisor at the Army Corps of Engineers approved the operation, according to a complaint filed in February and released on Friday.

Mr. Trump may have failed to make good on his 2016 promise to make Mexico pay for the wall, but if the accusations prove true, the administration apparently did rely on Mexican workers for the project, potentially at the expense of Americans.
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WASHINGTON (AP) — A senior manager with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention told congressional investigators she was ordered to delete an email suggesting attempted political interference by the Trump administration in coronavirus reports to the public, according to a transcript released Thursday.

Rep. James Clyburn, D-S.C., who released the partial transcript, said the testimony of Dr. Charlotte Kent raises “serious concern about what may be deliberate efforts by the Trump administration to conceal and destroy evidence that senior political appointees interfered with career officials’ response to the coronavirus crisis.” Kent testified that she believed CDC director Robert Redfield ordered the deletion of the email.

In a letter to Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, Clyburn accused the administration of trying to obstruct his investigation and threatened to issue subpoenas to compel the release of documents. Clyburn chairs a special House panel empowered to broadly examine the coronavirus crisis and the government’s response.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/cdc-m ... 1607654038
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Interest question and answer with the author of a book on facism:
Sean Illing
Why is the destruction of truth, as a shared ideal, so critical to the fascist project?

Jason Stanley
It’s important because truth is the heart of liberal democracy. The two ideals of liberal democracy are liberty and equality. If your belief system is shot through with lies, you’re not free. Nobody thinks of the citizens of North Korea as free, because their actions are controlled by lies.

Truth is required to act freely. Freedom requires knowledge, and in order to act freely in the world, you need to know what the world is and know what you’re doing. You only know what you’re doing if you have access to the truth. So freedom requires truth, and so to smash freedom you must smash truth.

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There’s a great line from the philosopher Hannah Arendt, I think in her book about totalitarianism, where she says that fascists are never content to merely lie; they must transform their lie into a new reality, and they must persuade people to believe in the unreality they’ve created. And if you get people to do that, you can convince them to do anything.

Jason Stanley
I think that’s right. Part of what fascist politics does is get people to disassociate from reality. You get them to sign on to this fantasy version of reality, usually a nationalist narrative about the decline of the country and the need for a strong leader to return it to greatness, and from then on their anchor isn’t the world around them — it’s the leader.
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The one possibility that I hold out hope for is that conservatives are in the equivalent of a price bubble. Who knows what you can overturn when tens of millions get together and spur each other on in beliefs with no basis in reality. But when the bubble bursts, investors who were all hyped up can calm down and say, 'oh crap' what was that about? Try to pretend it didn't really happen that way and move on.
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The problem with ideological purity tests is that it’s all a kafkatrap:

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:06 am
The problem with ideological purity tests is that it’s all a kafkatrap:

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- Doc
Why only those three? All nine of them ruled against Trump's ridiculous lawsuits. Why would the other six not be equally a part of the "deep state." It makes no sense at all! But, of course, very little about the MAGA fanaticism makes sense.
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Are Conservatives really ready to give up on America for the sake of Donald Trump? Has Trump truly become their Messiah?
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